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 Posted:   Feb 3, 2022 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Yes, "Total Recall" is on my website, on the Supposedly page under the year 1990:
http://rejectedfilmscores.125mb.com/supposedly.html


It might have been me you read; I suggested two or three times it was a deliberate nod by Jerry to Basil. I also speculated it might have been a deliberate nod on "The Thirteenth Warrior" where a few notes from his theme sound like part of Revell's theme.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2022 - 6:43 AM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

Goldsmith was offered The Wild Bunch, but opted for The Chairman instead. Oops.

He was on Beneath the Planet of the Apes, but wanted to do Patton and got out of it. Sadly Beneath's editing ran into problems, which delayed it enough that he could have done both, but other contracts were set up.

Richard Donner did want him on Superman, as they'd just done The Omen together, but the studio wanted Williams. Donner said he let a coin toss decide. So technically Goldsmith didn't turn it down.

Supposedly he turned down Predator. He may have thought it was too much like Alien meets Rambo. Oops again.

He would have done Starship Troopers, except it was his agent that turned it down! Goldsmith didn't know about the offer until it was too late. He almost fired his agent.

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2022 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Jerry Goldsmith had to turn down An American Tail because he was booked with other projects. I believe he would've done it if he was free. Funny how Horner kept following Goldsmiths footsteps!

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2022 - 7:58 AM   
 By:   The Beach Bum   (Member)

He would have done Starship Troopers, except it was his agent that turned it down! Goldsmith didn't know about the offer until it was too late. He almost fired his agent.

Slightly off-topic but Is it true that Basil Poledouris was asked to score Hollow Man, and when Goldsmith found out, he told Verhoeven "Hey, why didn't you ask me?" and Verhoeven basically told Poledouris "Sorry, but Jerry's available."?

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2022 - 8:04 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Assignments that didn't happen, rumors, and links to interviews where people (like directors) talk about what happened) -- The "Lost" Scores thread:
http://www.jerrygoldsmithonline.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=3985&page=3

According to Don Bluth, Horner tried to take TSoN away from Jerry.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2022 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   Steven Lloyd   (Member)

Goldsmith was offered The Wild Bunch, but opted for The Chairman instead. Oops.

THE WILD BUNCH was not "offered" to Goldsmith. Producer Phil Feldman suggested Lalo Schifrin for BUNCH but Peckinpah preferred Fielding, on the basis of their earlier "Noon Wine" collaboration for ABC Stage 67.

Nick Redman's booklet notes for the BALLAD OF CABLE HOGUE Varese release relate that it was Feldman who happily suggested Goldsmith for HOGUE.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2022 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)


Basil Poledouris turning down Dances with Wolves because he wanted to score Flight of the Navigator out of loyalty to John Milius. The latter one eventually got delayed and Poledouris could've done DwW after all.


You've gotten your flights mixed up. You meant Flight of the Intruder.


I knew I should've double checked which one the Milius one was razz Thanks


John Millius’ take on Disney’s Flight of the Navigator would have been fun!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2022 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

John Williams - Titanic. Was approached by James Cameron, was too busy scoring The Lost World.

I have never ever, ever never heard this before. Never Ever.


Nope, me neither.

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2022 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

While Bryan Singer was promoting Superman Returns at Wonder Con, he stated that he offered X-Men to John Williams, but Williams turned it down because he was working on the Patriot. A Williams X-Men score is something I would love to hear.

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2022 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

He also asked, as I recall, Enya about scoring "Titanic". I'm shocked -- neither entry is on the Supposedly page of my Rejected Film Scores website (aside from a brief blurb n the openingb. That obviously fell threw the cracks; both should have been on there for at least fifteen years. Next time I update that page, they will be.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2022 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

Goldsmith was offered The Wild Bunch, but opted for The Chairman instead. Oops.

THE WILD BUNCH was not "offered" to Goldsmith. Producer Phil Feldman suggested Lalo Schifrin for BUNCH but Peckinpah preferred Fielding, on the basis of their earlier "Noon Wine" collaboration for ABC Stage 67.

Nick Redman's booklet notes for the BALLAD OF CABLE HOGUE Varese release relate that it was Feldman who happily suggested Goldsmith for HOGUE.


I got that from John O'Callaghan's book "Simians & Serialism", which states that Feldman tried to get Goldsmith on it after Peckinpah rejected Schifrin. Goldsmith wanted to do The Chairman, and the studio politics got to be a bit much.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2022 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   Steven Lloyd   (Member)

I got that from John O'Callaghan's book "Simians & Serialism", which states that Feldman tried to get Goldsmith on it after Peckinpah rejected Schifrin. Goldsmith wanted to do The Chairman, and the studio politics got to be a bit much.

Well David, you have one source I don't know about. However, WILD BUNCH and CABLE HOGUE were two films from Peckinpah and Feldman made back to back, in that sequence; and I correct my earlier neglecting to identify Feldman as executive producer on HOGUE, to Peckinpah's producer-director status.

Redman's CD booklet notes quote extensively from Warner Bros. studio memos and telegrams exchanged between Peckinpah and Feldman during HOGUE's post-production, including dates of issue. A Feldman note from June 3, 1970 is excerpted: "Sam -- this time I wish to make a suggestion to you as to the appropriate party to score T. Ballad of C.H. His name is Jerry Goldsmith." To me that seems rather formal if that composer already had been under discussion for their prior project. What's more, further Feldman quotes indicate his "pitching" his director on Goldsmith (without pulling rank) to an extent that would be redundant if the two had discussed him before.

Peckinpah is my longtime favorite director, as Goldsmith is my favorite composer; and I had the privilege of separate personal conversations with each man years apart about CABLE HOGUE -- which is my favorite film. But I've never heard or read about Goldsmith having been offered WILD BUNCH, which interests me if it happened. (The two definitely never met before HOGUE.) But if O'Callaghan provided a direct statement from Goldsmith about his declining BUNCH in favor of THE CHAIRMAN, I'd love to read it here.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2022 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

But if O'Callaghan provided a direct statement from Goldsmith about his declining BUNCH in favor of THE CHAIRMAN, I'd love to read it here.

O'Callaghan's book concerns Goldsmith's Planet of the Apes assignments, with reference to studio memos and documents he collected, from which he comments on the connections between Goldsmith and The Wild Bunch. There was no statement from Goldsmith himself. It doesn't seem like he really declined the job, it was just the producer trying to sell him to the director. So I misspoke, really. Sorry about that. O'Callaghan has posted on this board a number of times, perhaps you can message him and get more info.

You have something in common with Goldsmith's frequent collaborator Joe Dante. On his podcast he's mentioned that Hogue is his favourite Goldsmith score.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2022 - 7:12 PM   
 By:   Steven Lloyd   (Member)

I appreciate your clearing that up, David; I simply wanted to know whether I could put stock in a strange bit of history new to me. To be clear, I meant no level of confrontation.

(As for Signor Dante, I've discovered a number of crossover tastes between himself and me. But strangely, two of my three top favorite Goldsmith scores were written for two of my favorite movies -- yet while CABLE HOGUE is not among my personal top three Goldsmiths, that score definitely is one reason why HOGUE is my most favorite film.)

 
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