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I'll give this a try on the Blu-ray release (the original movie is fine the way it is) in Sept., but stuff like this seen/scene here is inexcusable for a professional release. I was miffed enough in the 4K remastered cut (recently released) when the Enterprise leaves space dock scene was in standard definition! Oh how that irks me.
Luckily I have the Blu-ray of the original, not messed up, version.
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Apr 6, 2022 - 8:31 AM
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If that bugs you, there are now special effects sounds of ships buzzing by when Kirk and Scotty head to the Enterprise...they're not overly loud, but they were never there before. The fact that they're being laid on top of Goldsmith's music, which IMO was all you needed dramatically there, is not going to go down well for film music fans.
Holy cow, I wish you are kidding about this - what an enormous gaff, this is an iconic scene in film history, even for people that don't like the film, it is one of the historic achievements in visual effects and scoring, and they added bees buzzing - geez.
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I'll give this a try on the Blu-ray release (the original movie is fine the way it is) in Sept., but stuff like this seen/scene here is inexcusable for a professional release. I was miffed enough in the 4K remastered cut (recently released) when the Enterprise leaves space dock scene was in standard definition! Oh how that irks me.
Luckily I have the Blu-ray of the original, not messed up, version.
What?! They used standard def scenes in the 4K release????
Scroll down to the Enterprise front view image leaving drydock here:
https://trekmovie.com/2021/09/07/review-star-trek-the-original-4-movie-collection-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-is-a-big-upgrade/
REALLY IRKS ME.
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I was wondering if the problem was my TV. . . . Evidently not.
The new sound mix didn't seem quite right either, I'm sad to say. On my Atmos system, I wondered if Christopher Nolan had been the sound engineer -- as the dialogue often sounded indecipherable amid sound effects.
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The director's cut isn't "tinkering" with a classic film, but a director returning to the film he never had the chance to finish in the first place. They just did what they wanted to do originally anyway. The director's cut I've seen (on DVD) was also a vast improvement over the theatrical cut, so much that I held on to my DVD so far, as I much prefer that version over the currently on Bluray released theatrical cut. But I will get 4K Bluray of this once it gets out. Some of the images I've seen look great, and those who have seen the actual film it by and large seem to praise this reconstruction.
Having said that, I agree that the screenshots up there look garish, what were they thinking? I would take the original in SD over the cardboard version in 4K in that particular scene. :-)
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Apr 7, 2022 - 8:06 AM
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The director's cut isn't "tinkering" with a classic film, but a director returning to the film he never had the chance to finish in the first place. They just did what they wanted to do originally anyway. The director's cut I've seen (on DVD) was also a vast improvement over the theatrical cut, so much that I held on to my DVD so far, as I much prefer that version over the currently on Bluray released theatrical cut. But I will get 4K Bluray of this once it gets out. Some of the images I've seen look great, and those who have seen the actual film it by and large seem to praise this reconstruction.
Having said that, I agree that the screenshots up there look garish, what were they thinking? I would take the original in SD over the cardboard version in 4K in that particular scene. :-)
I respectfully disagree. The director isn't alive to finish his film for the second time. So yes, they are just tinkering with it. I much prefer the theatrical version of the film. As far as the horrible new lounge scene its my understanding they replaced the old physical set with a CGI set then tried to cut out the actors and place them into the CGI environment. Only the biggest Trek nerd knows the orientation of the windows were wrong if they are supposed to be in the officers lounge. I don't know anyone who was screaming to "fix" that error. There was absolutely NO reason to do this. If you're going to do it, then do it right. If their goal was to fix or replace bad effects shots, making a new bad effect shot defeats the purpose.
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The director's cut isn't "tinkering" with a classic film, but a director returning to the film he never had the chance to finish in the first place. They just did what they wanted to do originally anyway. The director's cut I've seen (on DVD) was also a vast improvement over the theatrical cut, so much that I held on to my DVD so far, as I much prefer that version over the currently on Bluray released theatrical cut. But I will get 4K Bluray of this once it gets out. Some of the images I've seen look great, and those who have seen the actual film it by and large seem to praise this reconstruction.
Having said that, I agree that the screenshots up there look garish, what were they thinking? I would take the original in SD over the cardboard version in 4K in that particular scene. :-)
I respectfully disagree. The director isn't alive to finish his film for the second time.
I was referring to the director's cut, Wise was around when that was done. This is just a restauration of that cut for 4K.
So yes, they are just tinkering with it. I much prefer the theatrical version of the film.
That's fine. I don't. Which I is also fine. I really thought the director's cut was the cut where the movie works much better. But the theatrical cut is available on Bluray, it's also available on 4K, so good for you. :-) The director's cut isn't, but soon it will be. So we can both enjoy. :-)
It's a known fact that STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE was rushed into the theaters and never finished. The finished the cut was first released in 2001 for the DVD release, and now this version gets restored for film; I think that's great.
As far as the horrible new lounge scene its my understanding they replaced the old physical set with a CGI set then tried to cut out the actors and place them into the CGI environment. Only the biggest Trek nerd knows the orientation of the windows were wrong if they are supposed to be in the officers lounge. I don't know anyone who was screaming to "fix" that error. There was absolutely NO reason to do this. If you're going to do it, then do it right. If their goal was to fix or replace bad effects shots, making a new bad effect shot defeats the purpose.
I certainly agree with you on that, and I never knew or heard of a problem with the orientation of windows in that scene. Based on that, the original theatrical scene looks much, much, much better and there is NO reason to fix bad effects shots with bad effects shots. As I said, I agree with you that those two screenshots look horrid. However, those people who have seen this version now on the big screen have said lots of good things about it, so I don't expect the entire movie to look like that.
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Apr 7, 2022 - 10:41 AM
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That's fine. I don't. Which I is also fine. I really thought the director's cut was the cut where the movie works much better. But the theatrical cut is available on Bluray, it's also available on 4K, so good for you. :-) The director's cut isn't, but soon it will be. So we can both enjoy. :-)
I agree. I can watch the theatrical cut on Blu Ray which is fine for me. This isn't like the situation with the original Star Wars trilogies where the only HD versions available are the Special Editions.
Wow, that bit about a digital fake lounge they created for this, just wow, what an enormously bad idea. I mean, why? Terrible. This project seems like almost a total botch job, Paramount never should have green-lit this project, or if they did they should have turned into over to far more capable, and expensive hands. But basically you are right, the first cut is THE CUT of TMP, I know Wise had his quibbles, I respect that, but the first crack at a redo was so many years later, like when Lucas started his tinkering, that the artist is just too far distant from that moment of the fire of creating the movie the first time. Now when this group takes over long after Wise is gone, it is just a total tinkering botch.
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Well, if they tinker and improve on what had been done before, I'm all for tinkering. :-)
The 2001 cut was better than the 1979 cut.
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