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 Posted:   May 11, 2022 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Rogue Nation. A class above any of the others.
I can't immediately think of any more recent action score I would rate ahead of it.

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2022 - 3:07 PM   
 By:   Movieman5   (Member)

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 Posted:   May 11, 2022 - 3:11 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)



I'd also add that the MI2 score has some lovely interpretations on one of the Hans Zimmer concert albums. They drop all the action cues and its just spanish guitar and orchestra. I was surprised how much I liked it.


Hey Lehah! I'm not sure if you are a vinyl collector/listener, but the expanded release that Mondo and Hollywood Records did a couple years ago presents an extraordinary presentation of that soundtrack much more in line with Zimmer's live stuff. It is a real shame it hasn't been released (legally) for CD and digital collectors.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2022 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I’ve seen your replies about that for years, but never saw your reason for it. Nothing wrong with it, and I respect your opinion, I’m just curious. If you explained that before other than what was put out is enough or it’s what I like I missed it. If you don’t want to explain it again that’s cool too.

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 Posted:   May 11, 2022 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

The Mission: Impossible series is probably my favorite modern film franchise, in a sea of pretty decent ones (and many annoying and awful ones). And I love dearly all of the scores for the series. It's disappointing to see the "poopooing" of Balfe's efforts as I think it is one of the best things he's done but the FSM message board will never disappoint when it comes to belittling the work of others. Thankfully Mission: Impossible Fallout is widely regarded as the best of the movies. I agree.

My score rankings as follows:

1.) Rogue Nation (Kraemer)
2.) M:I-2 (Zimmer)
3.) M:I 1996 (Elfman)
4.) Fallout (Balfe)
5.) Ghost Protocol (Giacchino)
6.) M:I-3 (Giacchino)

The Silvestri rejected score wasn't very good, in my opinion. I'm always confused why it is regarded so highly honestly.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2022 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

The Silvestri rejected score wasn't very good, in my opinion. I'm always confused why it is regarded so highly honestly.

For my own comment I was mainly joking - I think it's actually pretty cheesy with the wailing guitars. But while I do like Elfman's music for the first MISSION IMPOSSIBLE the most and I find the newer ones to be too hyperactive (the films too), the comments here about ROGUE NATION are pushing me to listen to that again and I like it a lot more. It's a bit repetitive and overly-retro/pastichey, but it's pretty fun and engaging and well put together. Very much like an updated version of the original TV show.

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2022 - 6:46 PM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)

1: V
2: I
3: III
4: IV
5: II
6: VI

Balfe's score is the only one I felt actively hurt the film. Overpowering and relentless.

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2022 - 11:33 PM   
 By:   Ant   (Member)

#1 - Rogue Nation: Kraemer absolutely nailed this. It's perhaps the best action score of of the 2000's. The A400 is the best cue of the entire franchise, and Moroccan Pursuit is EXACLTY the kind of fun, thrilling action adventure music that is totally absent from films these days.

#2 - M:I - Elfman's score is SO intricate - maybe with the best bongo/percussion section from the lot. That said, it's not very heavy on action, but has the best "heist/caper" music.

#3 - M:I III - I was really nervous when Giacchino was announced for this. I hadnt heard The Incredibles at this point and thought "Isn't he just that video game guy?". Luckily, he knocked it out of the park, bringing his LOST sound (what we now know is actually *his* sound) into a bigger environment.

#4 - Ghost Protocol - I actually found this quite disappointing compared to M:I III. I hoped it would be more of the same, but it sounds a bit cheap and amateurish. Somebody described the slow "jazzy" versions of the theme sounding like "Mission: Impossible - The Porno". That said, it does contain one of the best action cues of the series in World's Worst Parking Valet.

#5 - Fallout - McQuarrie has made some good movies, but replacing Kraemer with Balfe...what an awful, awful decision. The biggest kick in the teeth the series has had from a musical standpoint. It wasn't QUITE as bad as I feared it may turn out, but it's just apeing The Dark Knight. All the fun an excitement that Kraemer brought to the series is gone. Now we're just in the most generic, trailer-music sounding territory there is and it's just sad.

#6 - M:I 2 - As much as I think Balfe is the wrong composer for the series, Zimmer's score is just bizarre. It's kinda fun looking back at how this was presumably "cool" in the year 2000, but it's so out of place with the rest of the series. A guilty pleasure these days, if anything.

Also, as inappropriate Silvestri's rejected score was with the wailing guitars, his train cue is immensely fun - just written for the wrong movie! If Silvestri was in his 90's *fully orchestral* mode ala parts of Judge Dredd/Eraser, this would have been great. I'd also love to hear an M:I score with his more modern action sound ala "Just About Close Enough" from G.I. Joe.

I think after Ant-Man and Hawkeye, Christophe Beck needs to be given a shot at these. But instead, it looks like they're sticking with Balfe. Such a shame.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2022 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Silvestri! #1!

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2022 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

My preferences:

#1 - M:I - Suspense, Action, orchestration - Elfman knew what he needed to do.

#2 - Rogue Nation - Fun and old-fashioned, just the way I like it, in line with the more traditional approach of the film

#3 - Fallout - at first I was hesitant, but then I loved how Balfe integrated the MV sound with the M:I atmosphere.

#4 - Ghost Protocol - Laid back, jazzier at times, a good time

#5 - M:I 3 - a bit too overstuffed with too busy action, and the sound should be much clearer

#6 - M:I 2 - too heavy rock-anthem-laden, but still fun if I'm in the mood for it.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2022 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Silvestri! #1!

There's always one kook in every crowd! smile

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2022 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

My preferences:

#1 - M:I - Suspense, Action, orchestration - Elfman knew what he needed to do.

#2 - Rogue Nation - Fun and old-fashioned, just the way I like it, in line with the more traditional approach of the film

#3 - Fallout - at first I was hesitant, but then I loved how Balfe integrated the MV sound with the M:I atmosphere.

#4 - Ghost Protocol - Laid back, jazzier at times, a good time

#5 - M:I 3 - a bit too overstuffed with too busy action, and the sound should be much clearer

#6 - M:I 2 - too heavy rock-anthem-laden, but still fun if I'm in the mood for it.


Interesting point about M:I 3... I agree that the recording itself is a bit "muddy" or soft and find the Ghost Protocol recording clearer.. and yet, I know it was all the LA session players and Giacchino's crew.. maybe it was a different stage in town?

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2022 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

My preferences:

#1 - M:I - Suspense, Action, orchestration - Elfman knew what he needed to do.

#2 - Rogue Nation - Fun and old-fashioned, just the way I like it, in line with the more traditional approach of the film

#3 - Fallout - at first I was hesitant, but then I loved how Balfe integrated the MV sound with the M:I atmosphere.

#4 - Ghost Protocol - Laid back, jazzier at times, a good time

#5 - M:I 3 - a bit too overstuffed with too busy action, and the sound should be much clearer

#6 - M:I 2 - too heavy rock-anthem-laden, but still fun if I'm in the mood for it.


Interesting point about M:I 3... I agree that the recording itself is a bit "muddy" or soft and find the Ghost Protocol recording clearer.. and yet, I know it was all the LA session players and Giacchino's crew.. maybe it was a different stage in town?


There are other Giacchino scores, mostly the earlier ones, which sound a bit muddy. It seems that was intentional.

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2022 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   CCOJOE   (Member)

I am also going to put Joe Kraemer's score at the top of this list...by a huge margin. The original Elfman comes in at number two. The Giacchino's at 3 and 4, The Balfe at 5 and the Zimmer at 6.

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2022 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   Ant   (Member)

My preferences:

#1 - M:I - Suspense, Action, orchestration - Elfman knew what he needed to do.

#2 - Rogue Nation - Fun and old-fashioned, just the way I like it, in line with the more traditional approach of the film

#3 - Fallout - at first I was hesitant, but then I loved how Balfe integrated the MV sound with the M:I atmosphere.

#4 - Ghost Protocol - Laid back, jazzier at times, a good time

#5 - M:I 3 - a bit too overstuffed with too busy action, and the sound should be much clearer

#6 - M:I 2 - too heavy rock-anthem-laden, but still fun if I'm in the mood for it.


Interesting point about M:I 3... I agree that the recording itself is a bit "muddy" or soft and find the Ghost Protocol recording clearer.. and yet, I know it was all the LA session players and Giacchino's crew.. maybe it was a different stage in town?


There are other Giacchino scores, mostly the earlier ones, which sound a bit muddy. It seems that was intentional.


This seemed to occur when Dan Wallin was recording them. Super 8 is the worst offender. Things got much better when Joel Iwataki took over, starting with (if I remember correctly) Star Trek Into Darkness.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2022 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

Interesting point about M:I 3... I agree that the recording itself is a bit "muddy" or soft and find the Ghost Protocol recording clearer.. and yet, I know it was all the LA session players and Giacchino's crew.. maybe it was a different stage in town?

This seemed to occur when Dan Wallin was recording them. Super 8 is the worst offender. Things got much better when Joel Iwataki took over, starting with (if I remember correctly) Star Trek Into Darkness.


I was going to point out that MI3 had sound baffles up during the recording while GHOST PROTOCOL didn't. It's typical with big band-style performances rather than the larger orchestral sound, but requires more mixing work to meld the individual sections together. To me that's what I hear in the "flatness" of MI3 where the elements just don't mesh together.

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 3:33 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

While I will NEVER own the most recent effort(?) by Balfe, starting this thread caused me to snag a dirt cheap mint condition copy of the Zimmer & Co score CD to M.I.2 and it's MUCH MUCH better than I remembered it.
The guitar theme is cool and the nearly GLADIATOR tune by Lisa Gerrard is also very nice.
Even some of the action licks, while 'of their time' are a fun listen in the right mood.
Don't know it I like it better than the highs of the Elfman one, but its position at the bottom of my list is in no way as disparaging as I originally thought of it.

 
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