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 Posted:   Jun 21, 2022 - 5:02 PM   
 By:   Night   (Member)

I just read that songwriter Diane Warren will get an honorary Oscar. She has 13 Oscar nominations without a win (Thomas Newman has 15 nominations without a win) and is almost exactly the same age as Newman. Awarding her now seems hasty to me. It made me think of Newman.

By the way, I love that director Peter Weir will get an honorary Oscar, one of my favorite directors.

I wish that Thomas Newman above all and also Ridley Scott got an honorary Oscar soon...

What do you think, will Newman get an honorary Oscar soon?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2022 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I don't understand the criteria for the honorary Oscars. I know North, Schifrin, and Morricone got them, all three deserving, and none of them had an actual score Oscar--at the time. Of course, Morricone got one after. So, if the lack of an Oscar win is part of the criteria, I'd wait on Newman. He may still win one.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2022 - 7:06 PM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

We all need to quit caring about the Oscars.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2022 - 7:29 PM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

It took Cousin Randy Newman …22 Times?

Relax Girls We Got Time.

And by the way..Thomas Newman should of won for what score?

Sorry using that new math from the 70’s …

Randy on his 16th nomination won!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2022 - 7:57 PM   
 By:   Night   (Member)

And by the way.. Thomas Newman should of won for what score?

Randy Newman won on his 16th nomination I think, but he was 8 years younger than Thomas is now when he won.

I count at least six wins for Thomas Newman, probably even a few more than that if I looked up his filmography:

Less Than Zero - 1987
Flesh and Bone or Josh and S.A.M. (either of them would have been a worthy winner) - 1993
Oscar and Lucinda - 1997
American Beauty - 1999
The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel - 2011
1917 - 2019

Regarding the year 1994 and The Shawshank Redemption and Little Women. I actually prefer Elliot Goldenthal's work from that year, but Newman is definitely a serious contender.

If I had to pick only one of these, it would have to be American Beauty, a landmark score in film music history.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2022 - 10:25 PM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Not even close

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2022 - 11:16 PM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

And by the way.. Thomas Newman should of won for what score?

Randy Newman won on his 16th nomination I think, but he was 8 years younger than Thomas is now when he won.

I count at least six wins for Thomas Newman, probably even a few more than that if I looked up his filmography:

Less Than Zero - 1987
Flesh and Bone or Josh and S.A.M. (either of them would have been a worthy winner) - 1993
Oscar and Lucinda - 1997
American Beauty - 1999
The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel - 2011
1917 - 2019

Regarding the year 1994 and The Shawshank Redemption and Little Women. I actually prefer Elliot Goldenthal's work from that year, but Newman is definitely a serious contender.

If I had to pick only one of these, it would have to be American Beauty, a landmark score in film music history.


Lol, picking "Flesh and Bone" and "Josh and S.A.M." over "Schindler's List" or "Oscar and Lucinda" over "Titanic".

Newman is one of my favorite composers and I would love for him to win an Oscar but with the exception of 2019 and perhaps 1999 his nominated scores just weren't the best of the nominated ones

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2022 - 11:28 PM   
 By:   Night   (Member)

I'm not a fan of the Schindler's List score at all. John Williams ruined that film. He turned real human drama into maudlin, almost comical melodrama. The obnoxious choral moments are the worst.

And I agree with Leonard Rosenman that Titanic was a dreadful score.

So for me it is no contest at all. Schindler's List and Titanic are horrible scores in my book that didn't help their respective films (neither am I attracted to the music on its own at all), unlike Flesh and Bone, Josh and S.A.M. and Oscar and Lucinda, which were all far more supportive, innovative, individualistic, and almost magically evocative at their best. I still revisit all those three Newman scores sometimes, but it would never even occur for me to listen to Titanic and Schindler's List, both of which I outright dislike.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2022 - 11:50 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

…. but it would never even occur for me to listen to Titanic and Schindler's List, both of which I outright dislike.

Just because you don’t *like* something doesn’t mean it can’t be good. Taste isn’t the same thing as quality.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2022 - 12:05 AM   
 By:   Night   (Member)

…. but it would never even occur for me to listen to Titanic and Schindler's List, both of which I outright dislike.

Just because you don’t *like* something doesn’t mean it can’t be good. Taste isn’t the same thing as quality.


If I considered them to be quality scores, then I would have liked them. I don't like them because I don't think consider them to be good.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2022 - 12:17 AM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

I'm not a fan of the Schindler's List score at all. John Williams ruined that film. He turned real human drama into maudlin, almost comical melodrama. The obnoxious choral moments are the worst.

Hyperbolic much?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2022 - 12:59 AM   
 By:   Night   (Member)

We beg to differ, let's leave it at that. Please let's return to the topic of the thread, any thoughts on if Newman will get his honorary Oscar soon or not.

To me Diane Warren getting her honorary award now seemed a bit hasty to me. It made me think that Newman might be getting his in the next few years.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2022 - 1:25 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Yes I find TITANIC a very mediocre score..as well..SCHINDLERS LIST is a decent one , if one can say something about such a horrific historical event.I think its not appropriate though..This movie shouldn´t have any music at all in my opinion.Just watched the William Friedkin interview about the music for
THE EXORCIST and I agree 100 % with his viewpoints.Herrmann for example seemed to be an old bitter guy with no understanding of what the movie was...but thats a different post thread I guess..sorrysmile
Back to NEwman...Why should he receive a honorary oscar at the age of ??? and most of all he just doesn´t deserve it ( yet!!)

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2022 - 1:45 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

SCHINDLER'S LIST was very deserving of the best score Academy Award. John Williams scored a very difficult movie with great taste, contemplation, restraint, and - most important - genuine emotion, in a straightforward, simple manner. Definitely the movie and film score of that year. The 1997 Academy Award for best score should have gone to KUNDUN.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2022 - 4:48 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

We all need to quit caring about the Oscars.

THIS 1000%!... the score category particularly, is an absolute joke!

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2022 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

I must say it's quite unrespectful they need to do this ceremony to award Diane Warren.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2022 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

…. but it would never even occur for me to listen to Titanic and Schindler's List, both of which I outright dislike.

Just because you don’t *like* something doesn’t mean it can’t be good. Taste isn’t the same thing as quality.


If I considered them to be quality scores, then I would have liked them. I don't like them because I don't think consider them to be good.


So basically what you’re saying is, that when *you* like something, it’s quality. In other words, your taste is absolute?

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2022 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

HL Mencken once said "A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers."

The Oscars are no different. A body voting on its self has no value other than to its self and ego.

I'm to believe Stanley Kubrick's entire working life is worthy of only a special award for VFX? Bullshit.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2022 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

No.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2022 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   fmfan1   (Member)

We all need to quit caring about the Oscars.

THIS 1000%!... the score category particularly, is an absolute joke!


Personally, I agree with both of you. I would hope that most of the followers of this board would understand that Academy rules and procedures often do a poor job of selecting five deserving nominations, let alone awarding the very best score of the year (as defined, perhaps, by those most passionate about film scores - and even then there would be a great diversity of opinion).

Even so, I don't begrudge the speculation, odds, drama, etc. that others seem to enjoy when it comes to these awards. I pretty much lump the Academy Awards in with things like following the royal family, or obsessing about baseball, where men in their pajamas get paid millions for swinging a piece of wood to hit a ball as far as they can.

If these things can distract people from life's challenges and entertain them in some way, then that's fine with me.

Back to the subject: I think Newman is a fine composer, but I'm not sure an honorary Oscar is the way to go. First, he doesn't need the Academy to validate him and his accomplishments. Second, he has time to write another great score that just happens to catch the Academy's fancy.

 
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