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 Posted:   Jul 15, 2022 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

For many people either Crimson Tide or The Rock seem to be a turning point in their love / hate relationship with Zimmer. Up until a few days ago I was rather ignorant of his works from the late 80s to the mid 90s, so I decided to start revisit Zimmer's scores from that period, and what I have found is wealth of wonderful scores, particular highlights have been the Power of One, Regarding Henry, Radio Flyer, A League of Their Own. I am currently listening to Point of No Return which I am enjoying. I also liked K2 and Green Card as well. Interested to know what your thoughts are on these scores and others from this period.

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2022 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

RAIN MAN is an excellent film score, among the finest Zimmer's ever done. And it's from that period.

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2022 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I love his early drama/comedy synth scores and his action/adventure scores in the 90's and early 2000's. Batman Begins was the start of his decline for me. This is when he began writing dull droning minimalist scores. Though he's had a few good scores from time to time. I love Wonder Woman 84.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2022 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

For me, I only really liked Zimmer with THE ROCK, BROKEN ARROW, and GLADIATOR - that basic sound. I understand those being the turning point though as they marked the beginning of film music become a bit homogenous, at least with action scores at the time.

I find his earlier works to be a bit dated and often trying a bit too hard to be dramatic or contemporary in an amateurish way. RAIN MAN and REGARDING HENRY are both in that vein - RAIN MAN has some good stuff, but gets a bit bogged down in melodrama. REGARDING HENRY feels like it's trying too hard to be contemporary (to its time).

My problem with scores like THE POWER OF ONE and A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN is the good stuff is usually by the other people who did composing or producing, and the less-good bits are when Zimmer's melodramatic overload tendencies squash those contributions. LION KING and THE POWER OF ONE to me are best when Lebo M's work is in the spotlight. A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN is best when Ladd McIntosh's work is in the spotlight.

With THE ROCK and BROKEN ARROW, there was almost a purity of the messy Remote Control Productions mish-mash of just big, dumb, unpretentious action music with great melodies and rhythms. It's not trying to be anything other than matching the bold ridiculousness of the action on-screen.

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2022 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Zimmer from 1987 to 1996 wlll always be a golden period for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2022 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

I think I first became aware of Zimmer as a film composer was for his score for the Ron Howard fireman movie BACKDRAFT. I liked that score and thought it fit the film nicely. It has remained one of my favorite of his scores over the years along with his THE DA VINCI CODE score. Not a big fan of his music beyond those two. Maybe the very first PIRATES for the rousing theme (if it is actually Zimmer) can be included. MAN OF STEEL for me sounded more like Sound Design instead of score and after that it all just sounded like more Sound Design. Enjoyed his more melodic work in the 3 scores I mentioned.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2022 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   Mephariel   (Member)

Maybe this is not a popular opinion, but I don't care for his early years. The only scores I truly loved from that era are The Lion King and Beyond Rangoon. I like parts of Crimson Tide and parts of Backdraft, parts of Days of Thunder, but that is about it.

I much prefer his 2000 scores: Gladiator, Pearl Harbor, The Last Samurai, Pirates 1-3, Frost/Nixon, The Dark Knight, Angels and Demons, Spirit, The Holiday...

I would even say that I prefer his 2010 scores: Wonder Woman 1984, Interstellar, Rush, The Lone Ranger, Kung Fu Panda 3, Dune...

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2022 - 7:04 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Count me in for all of Zimmer's eras. It has always been music to my ears. Paperhouse is a favorite; Black Rain is a favorite; The Power of One is a favorite; Toys is a favorite; Broken Arrow is a favorite; The Peacemaker is a favorite; The Thin Red Line is a favorite; The Ring is a favorite; Black Hawk Down is a favorite; King Arthur is a favorite; Inception is a favorite; The Dark Knight Rises is a favorite; Man of Steel is a favorite; Interstellar is a favorite; WW84 is a favorite; Dune is a favorite; yadda yadda. Why limit what I enjoy?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2022 - 4:25 AM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Zimmers early years is my favorite period of his. Black Rain, Regarding Henry, Green Card, True Romance, Rain Man… all just perfect. Yes he has minions that assist in his scores but he doesn’t get enough credit for how ground breaking his music at the time was.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2022 - 4:29 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

A Lovely child. His pram was full of sunshine.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2022 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   SpeakerToAnimals   (Member)

How far do you want to go back? He played the keyboard on this monstrosity from 1985.

https://youtu.be/KgDsJTemvk8

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2022 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Cameron007   (Member)

Better than his later years.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2022 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   Mike Petersen   (Member)

I really liked DRIVING MISS DAISY and RADIO FLYER. Kinda gave up after that.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2022 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Count me in for all of Zimmer's eras. It has always been music to my ears. Paperhouse is a favorite; Black Rain is a favorite; The Power of One is a favorite; Toys is a favorite; Broken Arrow is a favorite; The Peacemaker is a favorite; The Thin Red Line is a favorite; The Ring is a favorite; Black Hawk Down is a favorite; King Arthur is a favorite; Inception is a favorite; The Dark Knight Rises is a favorite; Man of Steel is a favorite; Interstellar is a favorite; WW84 is a favorite; Dune is a favorite; yadda yadda. Why limit what I enjoy?

This - without him being a genuine favourite there aren’t any eras that I can point to and prefer more than others. Seems pretty facile to be honest to say “I liked him up to 19xx but he was crap after that”. Interstellar is brilliant, for example and Dune worked really well in the film.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2022 - 4:24 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

This - without him being a genuine favourite there aren’t any eras that I can point to and prefer more than others. Seems pretty facile to be honest to say “I liked him up to 19xx but he was crap after that”. Interstellar is brilliant, for example and Dune worked really well in the film.


I can certainly understand why some listeners don't like his output beyond a certain point.
I don't think it's facile, it's just being discerning about what was once original work and what became repeating a formula.
For instance, I love "Rain Man" and "The Lion King" but I feel much of what came afterwards was not quite as inspired.
But to answer the OP, the early years is what I most enjoy.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2022 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

BACKDRAFT and BLACK RAIN are the scores that got me into the genre

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2022 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

This - without him being a genuine favourite there aren’t any eras that I can point to and prefer more than others. Seems pretty facile to be honest to say “I liked him up to 19xx but he was crap after that”. Interstellar is brilliant, for example and Dune worked really well in the film.


I can certainly understand why some listeners don't like his output beyond a certain point.
I don't think it's facile, it's just being discerning about what was once original work and what became repeating a formula.
For instance, I love "Rain Man" and "The Lion King" but I feel much of what came afterwards was not quite as inspired.
But to answer the OP, the early years is what I most enjoy.


Don't know who wrote that first comment because I must have blocked them, but I can see it was a good decision on my part.

What you said about "being discerning" is right on target for me, as I do think there is a really distinctive difference between early-years/Media Ventures-Zimmer and Remote Control-Zimmer. Also worth noting that I hear the same types of comments here about a lot of composers for whom people only like a certain period of their output.

I forgot about BLACK RAIN which was also a great early favorite, energetic and pulpy, a great fit for the film. To me, Zimmer's early years felt very scrappy and straightforward and sometimes could be cheesy but other times would be a great fit. Listening to RAIN MAN again, it still is a bit heavy-handed but there's more variety than I remembered, like some of the more rhythmic cues which are pretty fun.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2022 - 10:54 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

Zimmer from 1987 to 1996 wlll always be a golden period for me.

Same here.

Paperhouse, Pacific Heights and Regarding Henry are my favorites from the "early years"

An incredible creative period.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2022 - 11:45 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Post deleted so as not to derail the discussion.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2022 - 5:19 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

How far do you want to go back? He played the keyboard on this monstrosity from 1985.

https://youtu.be/KgDsJTemvk8


Try 1979

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8r-tXRLazs

 
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