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 Posted:   Aug 13, 2022 - 4:41 PM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

I am choking with rage that the forces of hate and repression were able to spill the blood of author Rushdie this weekend. This is where attacks on free speech and expression lead us. May Rushdie survive, recover and continue to live and speak, despite his horrible wounds (Liver damage and maybe the loss of an eye.)

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/13/us/salman-rushdie-attacked-saturday/index.html

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2022 - 8:43 PM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Concurred.

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2022 - 9:16 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

It's incidents like this that make me think the system of law would be a waste of time and money on the attacker.
If someone acts like a vicious animal because of mental illness, that's one thing.
They should be treated with compassion and given the help they need but NOT necessarily be allowed to roam free.
But if they acted like a vicious animal because they choose to, just put them down already. Hopefully also with compassion.

I guess it all comes down to that same question I'm always asking myself:
Is evil a choice?

I don't expect my opinion to be a popular one, but I also don't want to ruffle any feathers.
If my post offends anyone, just say so and I'll remove it--no questions asked.

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2022 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Geez, one awful story after another. What a brutal and horrific attack. He's had a bounty on his head for a long time. Wonder if it was a single crazy person or coordinated? From what I heard the event didn't have good security. Sounds like it was very much preventable.

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2022 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Very sad, and yes, I am outraged too. Rushdie is an excellent author, and an intelligent essayist.

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2022 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Along with being infuriated and sickened by this attack, there's also an element of frustration at how preventable this was. With benefit of hindsight, I note that:

• Rushdie's appearance was publicized well in advance. It would be a lot safer if he made surprise appearances at events promoted to draw his kind of audience, rather than tip off his bloodthirsty enemies of just where he'll be.

• I'm getting the impression from this event that Rushdie travels without so much as one professional bodyguard.

• "The [Chautauqua] institution's leadership had rejected recommendations for basic security measures, including bag checks and metal detectors, fearing that would create a divide between speakers and the audience, according to two sources who spoke with CNN. The leadership also feared that it would change the culture at the institution, the sources said."
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/13/us/salman-rushdie-attacked-saturday/index.html

• Western New York State has a population of Muslim immigrants and refugees numbering at least in the tens of thousands. The attacker was from out of state, but he might just as well have been a local. It's not as if this event took place in a part of the world safely isolated from Radical Islamism, if any such places are left.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2022 - 6:53 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

• Western New York State has a population of Muslim immigrants and refugees numbering at least in the tens of thousands. The attacker was from out of state, but he might just as well have been a local. It's not as if this event took place in a part of the world safely isolated from Radical Islamism, if any such places are left.


A determined assassin will travel from anywhere to anywhere. The guy who tried to assassinate Justice Kavanaugh traveled from Simi Valley, California to Maryland to try his hand.

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2022 - 5:32 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Bump to put this above the spam.

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2022 - 6:55 PM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

Bump to put this above the spam.

Thank you. This is an important story. I remember debating someone way back in 1989 when the fatwa was first issued about how wrong it is to ask for the death of a writer who offends you somehow. Publish your own rebuttal, but don't fricking murder who you disagree with.

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2022 - 4:51 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

I fell out with a Muslim schoolfriend over the fatwa when it was issued. I was having a discussion about it with other friends when he walked over and said he thought Rushdie should be killed. It was at that moment I realised how fucked up Islam really is.

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2022 - 2:17 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)


This was a horrific incident and I hope Mr. Rushdie recovers fully. I hope those accountable are prosecuted to the fullest and thrown in prison. However, let us specify that radical Islam is dangerous. I have a beloved niece-in-law who is Muslim and my nephew converted in order to marry her. They have 3 beautiful little girls. They practice peaceful and moderate Islam as do all of their family and friends. They condemn this type of violence. There are millions of peaceful and moderate Muslims in this country.

Extremism in any religion is dangerous and destructive. Look at the damage it is doing here.

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2022 - 4:11 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Rushdie himself is critical of all religious extremism and religious conservatism.

 
 Posted:   Aug 18, 2022 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

According to the news:
"The man accused of stabbing award-winning author Salman Rushdie and injuring another speaker on stage in New York state last week pleaded not guilty Thursday to charges of second-degree attempted murder and second-degree assault."


Why is a plea is even a part of the process?
The guy tried to kill Rushdie in front of many witnesses.
What could a trial possible be necessary for?
The "degree" of murderous intent?
When intent and guilt is so clearly self-evident, what is the point?

I just don't understand this aspect of the justice system.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 18, 2022 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Oct. here is how our system works. Anyone accused of a crime has the right to plead guilty or not guilty. A crime may have been video-taped by many as well as having many eyewitnesses but still the accused will almost always plead not guilty. Defense lawyers tell accused people to plead not guilty in hopes of pleading down a murder or attempted murder to manslaughter. Another reason is that lawyers will go for a not guilty plea due to a defense of insanity. We've had some terrible crimes here and the defendants' lawyer have them plead not guilty due to insanity. Most of those pleas are B.S.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 18, 2022 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

When intent and guilt is so clearly self-evident, what is the point?


There is always the insanity defense. Or just angling for a better deal by making the state think they will drag it out in court.

 
 Posted:   Aug 18, 2022 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Oh, I know how all that works.
I already addressed the mental illness aspect in my first post.
But, apart from shaking loose the insanity ploy, a trial will yield very little new information in an incident like this.

I feel sorry for defense lawyers that have to deal with this nonsense.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2022 - 2:51 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

This was a horrific incident and I hope Mr. Rushdie recovers fully. I hope those accountable are prosecuted to the fullest and thrown in prison. However, let us specify that radical Islam is dangerous. I have a beloved niece-in-law who is Muslim and my nephew converted in order to marry her. They have 3 beautiful little girls. They practice peaceful and moderate Islam as do all of their family and friends. They condemn this type of violence. There are millions of peaceful and moderate Muslims in this country.

Extremism in any religion is dangerous and destructive. Look at the damage it is doing here.


What would have happened if she had "converted" in order to marry him, I wonder?

My former schoolfriend was also a normal, peaceful person. That was what was so surprising about it. I think if you look a little below the surface, you'll see more tolerance to extremism than you think.

But this gets us into topics forbidden here, so that's all I'm going to write on this matter.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2022 - 4:00 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)



What would have happened if she had "converted" in order to marry him, I wonder?


Just to add my relevent 2 cents. Muslim men and women can marry anyone out of their religion provided the other party converts to the Islamic belief as discussed above( mostly allowed in the Abrahamic faths:Islam/Judaism & Christianity). But today, its not a hard or fast rule if you are living in a foreign non islamic counry as I have relatives in US & Europe marrying into Amercians and even Hindu familys where neither party changed their original religious faiths. Love conquers all.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2022 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)



What would have happened if she had "converted" in order to marry him, I wonder?


Just to add my relevent 2 cents. Muslim men and women can marry anyone out of their religion provided the other party converts to the Islamic belief as discussed above( mostly allowed in the Abrahamic faths:Islam/Judaism & Christianity). But today, its not a hard or fast rule if you are living in a foreign non islamic counry as I have relatives in US & Europe marrying into Amercians and even Hindu familys where neither party changed their original religious faiths. Love conquers all.


Yes, love did conquer all in this case. My nephew loved this woman enough to convert for her. It was a choice he made freely.

I won't even address the ridiculous comment in the post above this one. I don't have to look below the surface to see what that infers.

 
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