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 Posted:   Aug 26, 2022 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Andy   (Member)

As i am now digitizing my complete cd collection, i discovered (again) that some of my discs does not play anymore

perhaps it helps you to save yours, before it is to late.

Star Wars the Phantom Menace Ultimate Edition
(Digibook, the discs and the plastic inlay had developed a kind surface grain, looks like iceflowers, can be removed with water and soap, but disc plays only up to track 18-20) , i looks not like the usual "rotten" discs
( and perhaps, i anyone has this disc without fault, perhaps i can get the missing tracks smile)

and nearly all of the unmentionables CD-Rs are gone ( no problem with this,as we have the real deal from our beloved labels)



i will update this thread with my progress in digitalization

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2022 - 3:12 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)





i will update this thread with my progress in digitalization



Yes, please do. Haven't encountered the problem often so far.

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2022 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   Sehnsuchtshafen   (Member)

Star Wars the Phantom Menace Ultimate Edition
(Digibook, the discs and the plastic inlay had developed a kind surface grain, looks like iceflowers, can be removed with water and soap, but disc plays only up to track 18-20) , i looks not like the usual "rotten" discs
( and perhaps, i anyone has this disc without fault, perhaps i can get the missing tracks smile)



Drop me line, I can help you.

This CD edition was notorious for the effect you're describing.
There are other releases in a similar format that started rotting soon after they were released.
It's a chemical reaction apparently caused by the cardboard/paper/plastic in too near neigbourhood.
That's why I've removed the discs and put them in a separate standard double jewel case.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2022 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

There are other releases in a similar format that started rotting soon after they were released.
It's a chemical reaction apparently caused by the cardboard/paper/plastic in too near neigbourhood.
That's why I've removed the discs and put them in a separate standard double jewel case.


Did the formula get changed for future releases or is it a good idea to relocate other discs in digipacks like those?

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2022 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Where do you all store your discs and their cases?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2022 - 7:49 PM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

Recently did an iTunes rip of The Ultimate Phantom Menace and no issues. I wonder if it's a pressing batch thing?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2022 - 1:40 AM   
 By:   Andy   (Member)

DP

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2022 - 1:48 AM   
 By:   Andy   (Member)

hello and thanks to all so far

i store all my cds in "good" condition, in a cd rack

cd rott is not new for me, first time i was confronted was approx. 1997-1999.
many silva screen cds , cloud nine records and unichorn Kanchna were affected (Alien, Hermanns Moby Dick etc.; Its Alive2))
apprx. 50 cds were replaced by the manufacturer PDO UK ( exept one (Robinson Crusoe, Robert Mellin), that was not avaliable anymore)

btw i have al lot of DVDs and Blurays ( only 4-5 years old), affected by the same issue !


i am now by disc 600 ( from appr. a 3500-4000 CD Collection) and glad, that i only have 1 affected ( real pressed cds) till now, and also glad, that some of my oldest cds still works fine !

my Star Wars Ultimate ID ( Inner Ring/Pressing No is S0894602000-012 21 A1 and S089460200-0202 15 A2)

i think digipacks and other printed booklets are an additional cause of this, as many of my discs ( including DVDs Blurays) are affdected, when something additional (promotional flyers) was in the package, i think the special printed digipack with the metallic looking print, had someting to do with the chemical reaction)

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2022 - 3:48 AM   
 By:   Merry Goldsmith   (Member)

Our thread from 2004 (!) about Star Wars UE.

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=19051&forumID=1&archive=1

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2022 - 3:54 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

CD rot, if it's going to happen, is going to happen even if you take the best care of your CDs.

It's not caused by a lack of care, although a lack of care can exacerbate it.

It's a miniscule manufacturing defect that can sometimes take 20 years or more to manifest as a problem.

The Unicorn-Kanchana discs were notorious for it.

Some of the early Silva Screen CDs had the problem too.

I imagine that having to nearly bend your CD in half to get it out of the case can't help, as that must stimulate the seals to crack even if only in a microscopic way.

However, as has already been said, the well known problem with the Phantom Menace Ultimate Edition 2CD is not CD rot, but a sort of misty coloured residue that builds up on the outside of the disc, as a reaction with the CD case.

It can be cleaned off. I have had to do this myself.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2022 - 3:59 AM   
 By:   AMRA75   (Member)

2 JOS records : King of the wind and William the conqueror. But JOS records gave me (a few years ago) 2 new cds and no problem since.

1 FSM : Goodbye Mr Chips. The shop I bought it doesn't exist anymore so... too bad.

1 Sony : The phantom menace 2cds. Cleaned now and stored in another jewel case.

So, I began my collection in 1983... and so far, 4 rotten discs for a few thousands of cds... Sad but it's correct.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2022 - 4:11 AM   
 By:   Andy   (Member)

my Goodbye Mr Chips FSM works fine ( just digitized it yesterday)

have to check both of the John Scott CDs

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2022 - 5:10 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

The only thing rotten about mine, is the music on them. Boom,boom!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2022 - 6:05 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Funny that you mentioned THE PHANTOM MENACE Deluxe.I had the same issue with this disc.Maybe it is a really weak and bad CD quality?
Don't have any problems with others so far...
But I was able to "clean" the CD ....

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2022 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   Andy   (Member)

both
William the Conqueror
and King of the Wind ( what a fine score it is ! )

are ok
and i bought both at release in 1990 (can't remember if these were already replaced by PDO back then)

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2022 - 6:43 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

I've only had three discs "go bad" on me in the last five or six years (FSM's Body Heat and Intrada's Black Hole/Black Cauldron).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2022 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

CD rot, if it's going to happen, is going to happen even if you take the best care of your CDs.

It's not caused by a lack of care, although a lack of care can exacerbate it.

It's a miniscule manufacturing defect that can sometimes take 20 years or more to manifest as a problem.

The Unicorn-Kanchana discs were notorious for it.


Yup, those Unicorn discs were the only CDs I had than went bad. I recently I ripped some homemade CDs that are 15 years old, & they're fine (I think the secret there is never to use the rerecordable discs). I think CDs are pretty stable, unlike DVDs & Blu-rays. Oh well, nothing lasts forever, including us.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2022 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Andy   (Member)

unfortunately i have to add frown

The Jungle Book/ Thief of Bagdad (Varese VCD 47258)
not readable


and from the same time period, but not totally unreadable but looks the same color and seems degrading, so keep an eye on this one

Spellbound Concerto /New England Concerto (Varese VCD 47226)

 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2022 - 4:49 AM   
 By:   JTWfan77   (Member)

I've only had three discs "go bad" on me in the last five or six years (FSM's Body Heat and Intrada's Black Hole/Black Cauldron).

Great! Now I have to check my copies grrrr

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2022 - 5:38 AM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

Some Italian CD releases from RCA in the early 90ies were also suffering from severe bronzing over the years.

Indeed, some times before the expanded score had been released by Prometheus Records, I had to replace my old THE CASSANDRA CROSSING italian RCA CD release with a new italian RCA copy....because there was no alternative.

My original bought at the time if its release in 1990 had bronzed so much that it was not readable anymore. It was a disc manufactured in Italy by OPTI.ME.S record plant.

I just ordered a factory sealed RCA CD to replace it crossing fingers for it to be defectless.

The new disc was just silver looking at arrival, like a new one. I guess this was a rerun, not from the same batch as the 1990 produced disc...because although the disc looked exactly the same, the manufacturing number from the record plant number was different....and the reissue did not mention anymore "manufactured il Italy" or OPTI.ME.S

To this date, the replacement disc remains ok.

 
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