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Sep 26, 2022 - 5:51 AM
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losher22
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Lots of love here, Henry. Some parts just don't click, like a little of the interplay between the main characters, the sometimes cringeworthy performance of Caithlin Dar, and the sexualizing of Uhura on the desert hilltop. But when it works...it REALLY works. Luckinbill's portrayal of Sybok, the opening camping scenes between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, the confrontation of the three main characters' pain with Sybok, and the scene with meeting the god entity, are all favorite parts of mine. And the score....MAN, the score. Just fantastic. One of very few I've purchased multiple times as different releases have come out.
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Its a silly film with a lot of flaws but it has a lot of character.
Yes, the movie has some great stuff in it (and a superb film score by a composer whose name is on the tip of my tongue, I'm sure some here know him), but is flawed by an immensely silly premise. But I enjoyed David Warner and Laurence Luckinbill as Sybok. Incidentally, I have seen this movie only once, in its opening week in the theater. (I have seen most other STAR TREK movies more than once.... so maybe it's time for a re-watch one day.)
I love the music score (it was also the movie who re-claimed the ST:TMP theme for the movies again) and the opening credit sequence with Kirk climbing was also good. IIRC, it's the only STAR TREK movie with a pre-credit opener, that was interesting. It had a troubled production and could have been better.
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Lots of good comments here. It's a flawed film with some cringes, but it's still highly watchable with many good aspects.
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I love this movie, always have. I go back to it more than Star Trek IV or VI. It's got a great feeling of family and a lot of heart. There's an epic scope to it and the score it incredibly good.
Luckenbill is amazing as Sybok, who is such well realized and sympathetic character.
It's an actors movie and De Kelley gets some of his best material. Sure, some of the jokes are just ridiculous and a few of the effects are a let down, but it's a fun, fast paced adventure that explores the leads and gives the supporting cast some good screen time. It's also the last time we see Klingons being, well, KLINGONS in the movies.
An underrated gem that really gets a bad rap.
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The part with Uhura dancing was embarrassing but she agreed to do it and I assumed willing to do it. Modern sensibilities rush to proclaim actresses are sexualized, maybe she was okay with it? Agency means they have a choice. She certainly never said otherwise as far as I know.
She seemed to love the opportunity to come up with her own dance and was only disappointed that they didn't use her voice for the singing (which boggles my mind). It gave her an important bit of business in the rescue and then they had her flying a shuttle. Nichelle had no reason to complain about her role in the film, it was one of her best in the features.
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As I walked out of the theater in '89, I said "This one gets an A for effort." I still feel that way.
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Sep 26, 2022 - 12:16 PM
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Ado
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I have the 'making of book', probably one of the 300 people that bought that, in any case, it is quite interesting, you get a pretty good idea from the book about the numerous problems involved, script, budget, locations, effects, the studio issues with the overall concept, the push back from the other actors. It was quite a mess behind scenes. Shatner had a zany enthusiasm for his Jim and Tammy Faye sci-fi concept but pretty much no one else did. It emerges from the fire-pit in better shape than you would think, credit to Harve Bennett and Goldsmith for pulling it together in the end, and some very fine camera work by Andrew Laszlo
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My main memory from seeing this in the theater (and it was a giant screen, too) was - "Man, they look so old! Time to retire."
VHS and smaller screens have cured that problem for me. Which of course means that I've watched it since, quite a few times, even with an occasional eye-roll.
I thought the idea and execution of a laughing Vulcan was brilliant! And I'd loved Laurence Luckinbill ever since The Delphi Bureau. But the movie was a disappointment in the strong pop movie summer of 1989 - and is now mostly fun for a few exchanges and of course the score tied to the action, maybe Goldsmith's most listenable for the franchise and the one that needed expansion the most.
Plus a couple of lines I'll never forget.
"I miss my old chair." With the brilliant light scoring Goldsmith weaved into his overall piece - terrific understated example of comedy scoring that's actually musical.
"What does God need with a starship?" A perfect Kirk moment, unlike the "Shoot your brother goddammit!" moment earlier in the movie for example (I know that's not the quote, but that's how it feels).
And my favorite: "I need my pain!" Which should have been the heart and point of the movie, especially as we as a society were more seriously dealing with the long-term effects of trauma. That's the kind of real-world analogue I'm a sucker for in Trek.
"Marshmelon" was not a win for me. But still a fun example of how time changes words and meanings.
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On the DVD Box Set watch it with the Audio Commentary by the Okuda's and that other Star Trek writer couple. They are more entertaining then the movie itself with all their behind the scenes knowledge and inside info.
Do they say anything about the elevator shaft with 78 decks?
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STAR TREK V is not the worst of the theatrical series; I think two of those with the original cast and one of the NEXT GENERATION features are definitely worse. (And I don't identify my choices, to keep this thread from going off-topic.)
No doubt courtesy of its director/co-author, ST V subjects viewers to some corny humor... but so does the original TV series. Yet while I don't often return to my DVD and don't respect the film enough to defend it much to others, I'll always keep it for a few very personal reasons. First, as a believer I find value in this picture's premise of a literal search for God. Sitting in the theatre in 1989, I knew the quest couldn't succeed and it certainly wasn't written as I might have tried it -- but I was pleasantly willing to see where the tale and crew were going with it.
More subjectivity: I am a younger half-brother who for most of my life had pined for more time, as well as a warmer relationship, with an elder half-brother whom I always adored from a distance -- but who, from our childhoods spent growing up in separate homes, made no time for me. (He never really appreciated me until we were 53 and 59... unfortunately, barely five years before his death.) From that standpoint, Spock's reunion in ST V with a charismatic and long-absent elder half-brother resonates deeply with me. Yet, I also find one subjective peeve: Even though the cue "A Busy Man" is a beautifully yearning Goldsmith cue to underscore four men striding side by side, believing (or wondering IF) they are about to "meet" God, director Shatner put Kirk walking between Spock and his half-brother Sybok. Despite their differences, despite being Vulcans, at that moment Spock should have walked beside his brother, with his Captain on his other side. Logically.
But STAR TREK V offers two other details that are important to me in context of the entire series: the revelation of the defining pain in Dr. McCoy's backstory; and Kirk's quiet admission to Spock and McCoy, across a friendly campfire, that he has always known he would die alone. Both disclosures work so well for the personal arc and design of those two characters, that I expected at the time that writers and producers would keep that in mind, if James T. Kirk ever were to exit the series through death. (The failure of an unnamed later movie to honor or acknowledge that poignant, private certainty of Kirk's was, to me, a crippling one.)
Last of all, I'm among those who say Goldsmith's second STAR TREK score is one of his best for the series. And no, I'd never say it works best as a listen away from the film. Anyone who never watches that movie even once would never fully appreciate the beauty and emotional layers of the score -- as is true for most of Goldsmith's work.
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