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 Posted:   Oct 3, 2022 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Roger says


Coming later this month....

Featuring what is probably Goldsmith's longest score...






http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8974

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2022 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Seajay4600   (Member)


Yessssssssssss!!!!!!!!! Thank you Intrada!! Can’t wait to hear this!!!!!!

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2022 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

What are Jerry's longest scores, anyway?

Not taking bonus tracks into considerations, just the main programs on their expansions:

1979 - Star Trek: The Motion Picture - 86:37
1994 - The Shadow - 85:01
1997 - Air Force One - 89:41
1999 - The Mummy - 90:50
2000 - Hollow Man - ????

What other Jerry scores are too long to fit on a single disc (not counting bonus tracks)?

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2022 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

And everyone thought that was Varese territory...

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2022 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

And everyone thought that was Varese territory...

Just like Matinee earlier this year…

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2022 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   Nathan Erickson   (Member)

Awesome, looking forward to it! Didn't know this was his longest score!

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2022 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

Hollow Man I believe is the longest in terms of music recorded.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2022 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

YIPPEEE!!!

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2022 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

What are Jerry's longest scores, anyway?

Not taking bonus tracks into considerations, just the main programs on their expansions:

1979 - Star Trek: The Motion Picture - 86:37
1994 - The Shadow - 85:01
1997 - Air Force One - 89:41
1999 - The Mummy - 90:50
2000 - Hollow Man - ????

What other Jerry scores are too long to fit on a single disc (not counting bonus tracks)?


Well, 1974's QBVII required two discs from Tadlow when they released their re-recording, running 94:12. They duplicated the opening and closing credits music on the second disc though, so removing those two duplicates we get a play time of 89:44.

Of course there might be time discrepancies from the original performance, but in general the tempos and such seem to match pretty well. They alas also left off at least one (albeit short) cue -- the unique bumper music that Goldsmith wrote and recorded. (They probably weren't aware of it because it was omitted from DVD releases of the film, which is almost certainly what reconstructionist Aaron Purvis used to take down the whole score by ear.) So adding that back in, Goldsmith's complete composition for QB VII probably does just go over 90 minutes.

It's worth pointing out that Goldsmith's contribution to Star Trek: The Motion Picture only ran 64:33 in the film (albeit that doesn't count the compositionally significantly different alternate early versions of cues before his solidified his main theme!) -- Fred Steiner composed a sizable chunk of that score (and Alexander Courage contributed a couple original cues as well, based on his TV series theme).

In general, Goldsmith believed in quite judicious spotting of his films, so it was indeed rare for one of his scores to go over 80 minutes and require a second disc (barring alternates, of course).

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2022 - 3:21 PM   
 By:   Steven Lloyd   (Member)

For sheer length, there is also LOONEY TUNES - BACK IN ACTION.

But for containing no material contributed by John Debney, Alexander Courage, Fred Steiner, or Randy Newman (and including its magnificent dropped cues plus "A Crushing Affair," which survived only as a music-and-effects track), THE SAND PEBBLES pushes 73 minutes of pure Goldsmith without source music or redundant alternates.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2022 - 3:31 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yeah, if the question is *Jerry Goldsmith's* longest work I don't think we can include music by additional composers in the time total. So Looney Tunes is out of the running, IMO (and even with the other stuff it fits on a single disc, doesn't it?)

I'm pretty sure that (excluding alternates, of which there are a good number), The Sand Pebbles runs 77:35 on Intrada's release, in complete form -- one has to add in the one cue taken from a music & effects source ("A Crushing Affair"). That said, I believe Intrada's notes claim that one other cue was entirely lost, not even salvageable from the M&E track. So it's conceivable that that missing cue might push the score past the 80 minute mark.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2022 - 4:35 PM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

Longest score in terms of the amount of music in the film? Or the amount of music written overall?

First Knight with all its alternates is about 105 minutes. Lionheart on its own is about 87. I think Hollow Man is about 90 minutes and then you'd probably have a good chunk of alterantes.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2022 - 5:24 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)



Well, 1974's QBVII required two discs from Tadlow when they released their re-recording, running 94:12. They duplicated the opening and closing credits music on the second disc though, so removing those two duplicates we get a play time of 89:44.


Yeah but that's a mini-series. Does it really count? It's more like two related scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2022 - 5:59 PM   
 By:   Steven Lloyd   (Member)

A mini-series runs longer than a feature, but it's still a single story -- so QBVII is one lengthy score, not two.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2022 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

Damn, there must be some significant alternate or unused material for this to be considered longer than QBVII or Star Trek TMP

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2022 - 3:02 AM   
 By:   ray92   (Member)

Very happy about it! I love Goldsmith's latest scores.
Although I, like many others, expected that it would come from VARESE.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2022 - 4:40 AM   
 By:   William R.   (Member)

Damn, there must be some significant alternate or unused material for this to be considered longer than QBVII or Star Trek TMP

Many of the original album tracks-including some of the lengthy climatic cues-were alternates, or used alternate takes and inserts. It wasn't until I listened to the isolate score/Goldsmith commentary track on the original DVD that I realized just how much music was written, if you count the alternates.

 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2022 - 5:28 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Most excellent

 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2022 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

A mini-series runs longer than a feature, but it's still a single story -- so QBVII is one lengthy score, not two.

I always thought it was kinda weird that QBVII counted as a miniseries even — it’s literally a two part movie. I usually think of miniseries as 3-12 episodes.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2022 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

QB VII was promoted as "A Novel for Television" with a giant image of the book when ABC first ran it.

Mini-series wasn't really a term yet that I can recall, but at the time, that multi-evening airing did feel like the first step towards mini-series.

I am really looking forward to Hollow Man - my very favorite late-period Goldsmith.

No question Verhoeven got great quality scores from JG, whatever the quality of the film. It was this original release with Goldsmith commentary that finally got me to buy a DVD player all those years ago. The movie was such a disappointment, but the commentary and additional music not heard on the album so tantalizing!

 
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