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 Posted:   Nov 12, 2022 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

According to Rolling Stone"

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/jewel-box-heroes-why-the-cd-revival-is-finally-here?utm_source=pocket-newtab

The writer's arguments are not all compelling, but someone is rightfully cheerleading for CDs.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2022 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   Phil567   (Member)

This is an interesting article. Thanks for sharing.

I'm not a sound engineer but l read somewhere that CD's have a wider dynamic range than vinyl which would seem to make CD's preferable to vinyl. Could anyone elaborate on that?

 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2022 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Yeah, CD's will make a revival when the current lot of TikTok "Influencers" makes it KoOL again.

 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2022 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

This is an interesting article. Thanks for sharing.

I'm not a sound engineer but l read somewhere that CD's have a wider dynamic range than vinyl which would seem to make CD's preferable to vinyl. Could anyone elaborate on that?


As far as dynamic range is concerned, most definitely (as a sidenote: pretty much any recording will not take full advantage of the dynamic range these formats provide anyway). In terms of overall sound quality it's not that easy to judge since it's a bit like comparing apples with oranges - two totally different technologies. Add to that, that these things are often very subjective.

Quality of CD reproduction has its inherent problems, but those can be rectified by high resolution formats - and no question: those will smoke vinyl any day. Tape vs. high-res is of course a different matter.

One thing that can be said, though: this entire vinyl revival is rubbish. The majority of vinyl records produced these days is sourced from digital. Why bother with surface noise if you can have the full sound without any degradation?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2022 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   JThree   (Member)

This is an interesting article. Thanks for sharing.


One thing that can be said, though: this entire vinyl revival is rubbish. The majority of vinyl records produced these days is sourced from digital. Why bother with surface noise if you can have the full sound without any degradation?


Thank you. Thank you. That is good news.
==jthree

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2022 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   Phil567   (Member)


One thing that can be said, though: this entire vinyl revival is rubbish. The majority of vinyl records produced these days is sourced from digital. Why bother with surface noise if you can have the full sound without any degradation?


Not only that but I find the production quality of vinyl LP's isn't as good as it was back in the day. For example, a brand new LP I recently ordered by accident had a skip in it and was badly warped, right out of the sealed cover. The LP's I bought back in the early 1980's were better than this.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2022 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

Of course it’s making a comeback. We all been telling the “streamers” for years that physical media will always be the safest bet. Unless you break into our homes and steal our movies and music, this stuff is in our hands forever.

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2022 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Of course it’s making a comeback. We all been telling the “streamers” for years that physical media will always be the safest bet. Unless you break into our homes and steal our movies and music, this stuff is in our hands forever.


ALAC/FLAC files are even much safer than CDs.

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2022 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Of course it’s making a comeback. We all been telling the “streamers” for years that physical media will always be the safest bet. Unless you break into our homes and steal our movies and music, this stuff is in our hands forever.


ALAC/FLAC files are even much safer than CDs.


Especially if your house burns down and all of your music was backed up in your cloud drive.

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2022 - 6:27 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Of course it’s making a comeback. We all been telling the “streamers” for years that physical media will always be the safest bet. Unless you break into our homes and steal our movies and music, this stuff is in our hands forever.


ALAC/FLAC files are even much safer than CDs.


Especially if your house burns down and all of your music was backed up in your cloud drive.


I’ll take my chances. You’re more likely to fall victim to a HD crash than having your house burn down.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2022 - 2:32 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I think that a fire is the only danger for CDs, they're not going to get stolen (no thief is going to break into your house & make straight for the CDs). I just like having physical stuff, I'm from that generation. I do think that LPs are more of a style/fashion statement than anything to do with music.

 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2022 - 4:05 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

A HD crash, which has even happened to me (my hard disc drive literally crashed to the concrete floor and broke) is only a problem if you have no backup. And since I have Terabytes of important, irreplaceable data (including my music, which, while not completely irreplaceable since I have the CDs/downloadshop access, would be an enormous amount of work), I do have of course always current and controlled backups. Files are easy to back up. Would be foolish not to have up to date backups, unless the data is not that important.

 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2022 - 4:09 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I think that a fire is the only danger for CDs, they're not going to get stolen (no thief is going to break into your house & make straight for the CDs). I just like having physical stuff, I'm from that generation. I do think that LPs are more of a style/fashion statement than anything to do with music.

Yes, I think so too. I don't think burglars would bother to steal CDs... I would expect them to be disappointed to see CDs instead of something more valuable in the shelves.

I got two dogs though, that's already reason enough for potential burglars to go to the next house.


Fire is a possibility, but highly unlikely, unless someone actively tried to burn or house down. It isn't filled to the brim with flammable stuff and it is made out of concrete and glass and steel... not wood. Even my CD shelves are made out of metal. So there isn't that much that would burn.

 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2022 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

A HD crash, which has even happened to me (my hard disc drive literally crashed to the concrete floor and broke) is only a problem if you have no backup. And since I have Terabytes of important, irreplaceable data (including my music, which, while not completely irreplaceable since I have the CDs/downloadshop access, would be an enormous amount of work), I do have of course always current and controlled backups. Files are easy to back up. Would be foolish not to have up to date backups, unless the data is not that important.

Its far to costly for me to pay cloud storage for all my music though I do have backups of my iTunes library on an external drive via Time Machine. At one time every CD I owned was digitized but Ive fallen behind on that.

But everything is in the same location. So yes, if it comes down to a fire I'm screwed. A thief might take my computer but not my CD's.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2022 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

Of course if a burglar broke into my house and made his way to my CD collection, that would give me plenty of tips to find the thief. 1) Has to be a friend of mine 2) This friend was born after 1970 3) He knows what I have and what is worth to steal

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2022 - 4:14 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

A HD crash, which has even happened to me (my hard disc drive literally crashed to the concrete floor and broke) is only a problem if you have no backup. And since I have Terabytes of important, irreplaceable data (including my music, which, while not completely irreplaceable since I have the CDs/downloadshop access, would be an enormous amount of work), I do have of course always current and controlled backups. Files are easy to back up. Would be foolish not to have up to date backups, unless the data is not that important.

Its far to costly for me to pay cloud storage for all my music though I do have backups of my iTunes library on an external drive via Time Machine. At one time every CD I owned was digitized but Ive fallen behind on that.

But everything is in the same location. So yes, if it comes down to a fire I'm screwed. A thief might take my computer but not my CD's.


As far as costs are concerned, CD shelf storage costs way more than the hard drives where I store the music. I don't have any actual music on my computer, it's all on external drives. A cloud solution for all my music would be nice, I am considering it. But I have not found one that I like that's both practical and reasonably priced.

Currently I do it like this: ALL my music is on one hard drive, that's where new music comes in and gets tagged. All new CDs that I get are ripped and tagged and added to the library. The library is duplicated on a NAS drive, from where the music is accessed (from my stereo system, for example). It is also duplicated to another drive that serves just as a backup. So my digital music collection exists on three drives. 4 Terrabytes cost less than $100.- and that's a lot of music... you get probably 2500 - 3000 CDs losslessly (FLAC/ALAC) on one Terrabyte, possibly more (haven't calculated, just a rough estimate), so hard disc storage costs about $0.01 per CD. I don't know any shelf space that's living room presentable in that price range. :-)

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2022 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I'm proud of my "wall of soundtracks". CD shelf's aren't that expensive nor do CD shelf's take up a lot of space. Granted I only have about a 1000 CD's excluding classical which had to be move elsewhere.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2022 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I'm proud of my "wall of soundtracks". CD shelf's aren't that expensive nor do CD shelf's take up a lot of space. Granted I only have about a 1000 CD's excluding classical which had to be move elsewhere.

Yes, I like my soundtrack collection as well, we just moved, so I bought a new shelf for them as well, and I suppose this one will be able to keep all the CDs I will buy in the future as well. CD shelves are not necessarily "expensive", but even the cheapest shelves are a lot more expensive than the same CD space on a hard drive.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2022 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)



I’ll take my chances. You’re more likely to fall victim to a HD crash than having your house burn down.


Well, my house burned down but the drive was in the basement, below the fire. 1500+ CDs gone or unplayable but most of the library survived.

So sure, the odds may have have said one thing, but having them all saved salvaged the majority of the music. And all of those restored purchases of digital albums made life a lot easier. Thank you digital only albums....

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2022 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)



Fire is a possibility, but highly unlikely, unless someone actively tried to burn or house down. It isn't filled to the brim with flammable stuff and it is made out of concrete and glass and steel... not wood. Even my CD shelves are made out of metal. So there isn't that much that would burn.


Electrical fires are not uncommon. Metal melts. So does plastic. Trust me, you have flammable materials in your home, whether you're aware of it or not. Fire and water are the two most destructive elements. Good luck if you have a fire, because if the flames don't get it, smoke can make the data side unplayable. Even in boxes. Smoke gets everywhere. Then the water from the fire fighters also gets into things. If you can't get to your collection fast enough (luckily you aren't in the house when it goes), then you'll have mold. Which forms in HOURS.

I lived it. Lost 90% of it, a lot to things other than flames. Never thought it would happen to me either. But it did. I sincerely hope it never happens to anyone here.

I now have multiple backups and cloud storage. Be complacent at your own risk.

 
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