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 Posted:   Nov 29, 2022 - 7:36 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Just wanted to share this here to spare any FSMer's being duped.


It looks like more bootlegs/professional copies are being sold on eBay again. Just noticed Hook being one of them.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/374378597627?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3Ddf1373e3b59a4b128ddf126da15f3381%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D374378597627%26itm%3D374378597627%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A59057452-6ffa-11ed-a954-da0abc248ad8%7Cparentrq%3Ac40023d71840a0d30c104749fff74d10%7Ciid%3A1

There are several UK sellers - which I believe are in fact the same seller - offering professionally produced duplicates to appear like they are originals. They've been selling tons of copies of Intrada versions of Robocop, Body Double, Battlestar Galactica Vols. 1 and 4 only, Super Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie, even Wendy Carlos Rediscovering Lost Scores. They also do other popular OOP albums of popular music with separate EBay accounts created to limit everything being sold under one account. I've seen that they've sold a few copies of this latest version of Hook already.

Buyers beware.

Other Examples:

Robocop:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/134345772066?hash=item1f47a1cc22:g:Sd8AAOSw84hjhX8C&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoBxu6LinoMiGvUAcFeMwRSCErFdt42W1U%2FtTjFA45C63UtZS91L2sk4cCpNPrBV52GlicobRMPqQVHXY4WBiLhyqDg3EuwIxSeYBhiaButPj0r1oT%2FNUyr3LvM2dWKltNe1YK%2Bs2jAW%2FdOHPLCsgVEA4WWw4a%2FV0macJXinNTWmDmuYsmQ9RXyJhMP2qk73Qg%2BITmC%2F8vALRhQ4va7AEDV8%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8DPr8CYYQ

Body Double:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/144831842674?hash=item21b8a68972:g:MqMAAOSwLB1jhX5a&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoLPo1Ia1ttapY2lhTno%2BvOpJEfoavQZky9vuZjvPU6mUkAbUlkTvAX%2FTxXQzPev9vdP2dMSmOK1aCQMmLFvJtK1zFkAXAWR0u%2Fpssc6F1zEgSsgKFDX8delxjTQIVzmImD9QYhVeuru2e5TKPmvtuCb7QpycMPmA6xyz6JFOGNs1hh4HSKm%2Bedjp9%2BkzgiNNwD9uTrR4KpjrV5GlB3h9pEA%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR47Ks8CYYQ

Battlestar 4:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/385262738941?hash=item59b372ddfd:g:kjgAAOSwbb5jhX8A&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoN1Q94sOlxfAaa%2F%2BEXK6XzOGz6G9%2Bv%2Ba8MaDRYJfKk8VviVOWk0hf8%2BnpY0XedSu%2BsejcwIp52SCJ2x0V9vjmm1J7bsQ49udyqwsB7E9jP3WaLqdXkObcIQVaij0rT3HV4g%2Fkd0QpUnAx3d5CR8I%2FcdjcgA1qd%2FapSkZZiiyi%2F7YQPIvPEP0clh4FxvPo9qf4jUgnHM2PioKDgUkq1Oh3Co%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR47Ks8CYYQ

Battlestar 1:https://www.ebay.ca/itm/385262738942?hash=item59b372ddfe:g:SdwAAOSw84hjhX8B&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoDPCDM5v3idA1l9kbAfqXA9r4Cz1iLTDiZi2XNO9NeMAUZYdomsqYZP7y9LQimrQqH1RrOQEBuUV1Wxfu5aG1SF8SPNJRopmzgrJgJ%2F942BBRqjzqGpMUSnozuQhGWaffiduU47UrJ17PmWqoUPgwFQ%2FZO3Mg7NE8DVN3o7UIwdFkp8kbgKbTuuWAywqB7XVZtrdeTjueAgvQVXWEGjDB44%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR47Ks8CYYQ

Predator:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/144831843813?hash=item21b8a68de5:g:cuMAAOSw9ZhjhX8G&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoAMtNGXVrAEEDDBRyDewBkYrNaP2HyWC7tWqY2gFuwk%2FuGI2HyGy26iqIEd821avLn3xRRuRhC0gjy1II4FIkieRMpDynQSksFBorPpyXrHzjROAg5aECy%2FAm1O7OCM3HtncYydvP4FBK%2FgRWirFKhntJfgCTq1ejvNsB9POBA%2Ftc3KUa7GyP0c2mP4kkufWy3kelmTvINnL%2BqCK3qoCB%2Fs%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR47Ks8CYYQ

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2022 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Wooooooaaww!

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2022 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Hedji   (Member)

How can you tell? You can report the items to eBay.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2022 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

I got hit with seller a couple years back with Ghostbusters and Knight Rider CDs.

Here's some tips where someone looked at the Banjo Kazooie CDs, the tells and details on these CDs would be similar, the bottom of the discs like small circular marks etc.

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/bootleg-nintendo-soundtracks-are-being-sold-for-big-money-on-ebay/



If some here have bought you can still possibly report to eBay - I was fortunately refunded.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2022 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

My Battlestar, Robocop and Predator are all up for sale if anyone's interested. Mine are all originals.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2022 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   Hedji   (Member)

Wow that is really crappy. thanks for the heads up.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2022 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   Sabreman   (Member)

Is there any way to tell for sure that these CDs are counterfeit? I bought a rather cheap copy of Intrada's Robocop some years ago. This was after it had sold out at Intrada. Because the CD I bought was so cheap, I've always had a feeling that it was counterfeit. But I've never known how you can tell the difference between genuine and counterfeit Intrada CDs.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2022 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Is there any way to tell for sure that these CDs are counterfeit? I bought a rather cheap copy of Intrada's Robocop some years ago. This was after it had sold out at Intrada. Because the CD I bought was so cheap, I've always had a feeling that it was counterfeit. But I've never known how you can tell the difference between genuine and counterfeit Intrada CDs.

It's hard because they are so well made (these fake ones). The above article gives some examples.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2022 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

I got caught by this guy. I bought HOOK months back. I was thrilled I’d got it for a good price and had thought it was the proper thing. Got it through and it looked pristine and I couldn’t tell if it was a fake. The fact the guy was selling a few and had been selling a few before was worrying though. The problems started when I played it and it started skipping on both discs. Stupidly I’d already left positive feedback on eBay on receipt of it. I contacted the guy and said was there any chance he could replace it. The guy said sure, asked to check my address and then I never heard anything more from him even after a few more e-mails.
My own stupid fault. I guess if something looks too good to be true.. it usually is.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2022 - 6:23 PM   
 By:   robby   (Member)

What about the booklets and artwork? Are these counterfeit too?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2022 - 6:36 PM   
 By:   Grack21   (Member)

Holy crap

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2022 - 10:31 PM   
 By:   lotrmj   (Member)

Oh, finally somebody raised that question!

I always had a feeling that my Robocop copy (from UK Ebay) was somehow fake, because the seller was suspicious and he was selling same rare CDs for super low prices.

The same can be said about Alan Silvestri's `Back To The Future` 2CD (Intrada Special Collection Vol. 116) set I bought in 2019-2020.

I even contacted Intrada with my issue and sent them some photos... It seems they didn't dig deeper into the issue and told me that my copy seems to be ok. My intuition was telling it is not.

-

I don't have these CDs with me right now (they are in another city), but if I remember clearly, both of these CD's booklets were somehow darker than usual.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 2:37 AM   
 By:   Leo Nicols   (Member)

Is there any way to tell from the"matrix numbers" ?

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 4:25 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I got caught by this guy. I bought HOOK months back. I was thrilled I’d got it for a good price and had thought it was the proper thing. Got it through and it looked pristine and I couldn’t tell if it was a fake. The fact the guy was selling a few and had been selling a few before was worrying though. The problems started when I played it and it started skipping on both discs. Stupidly I’d already left positive feedback on eBay on receipt of it. I contacted the guy and said was there any chance he could replace it. The guy said sure, asked to check my address and then I never heard anything more from him even after a few more e-mails.
My own stupid fault. I guess if something looks too good to be true.. it usually is.


So they go to the trouble to have factory CDs pressed (as opposed to CDRs), but then they are not even working? (I mean, simple CDR copy should work, leave alone a pressed CD, counterfeit or not.)
Who would have thought that in our time, there would be a ring of counterfeit CD pressers.

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 5:28 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

I got caught by this guy. I bought HOOK months back. I was thrilled I’d got it for a good price and had thought it was the proper thing. Got it through and it looked pristine and I couldn’t tell if it was a fake. The fact the guy was selling a few and had been selling a few before was worrying though. The problems started when I played it and it started skipping on both discs. Stupidly I’d already left positive feedback on eBay on receipt of it. I contacted the guy and said was there any chance he could replace it. The guy said sure, asked to check my address and then I never heard anything more from him even after a few more e-mails.
My own stupid fault. I guess if something looks too good to be true.. it usually is.


So they go to the trouble to have factory CDs pressed (as opposed to CDRs), but then they are not even working? (I mean, simple CDR copy should work, leave alone a pressed CD, counterfeit or not.)
Who would have thought that in our time, there would be a ring of counterfeit CD pressers.


Honestly..i was probably just unlucky with the playback issue. I'm usually on the ball for this kind of thing and it was only really the price that made me suspicious. Looking at it, it seemed totally legit - packaging and discs!There is feedback from others that had bought them that seemed quite happy so the payback issues were with me ( I tried multiple players, by the way)

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)



Honestly..i was probably just unlucky with the playback issue. I'm usually on the ball for this kind of thing and it was only really the price that made me suspicious. Looking at it, it seemed totally legit - packaging and discs!There is feedback from others that had bought them that seemed quite happy so the payback issues were with me ( I tried multiple players, by the way)


Did it come with the booklet an liner notes?

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)



Honestly..i was probably just unlucky with the playback issue. I'm usually on the ball for this kind of thing and it was only really the price that made me suspicious. Looking at it, it seemed totally legit - packaging and discs!There is feedback from others that had bought them that seemed quite happy so the payback issues were with me ( I tried multiple players, by the way)


Did it come with the booklet an liner notes?


These boots come with the full liner notes and copied inserts - the Varese Ghostbusters, John Barry's Deep and Knight Rider I received have exact copies of the booklets etc. The Ghostbusters ones had issues with the track list.

This is what adds to their sense legitimacy for those receiving them.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 3:27 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)



Honestly..i was probably just unlucky with the playback issue. I'm usually on the ball for this kind of thing and it was only really the price that made me suspicious. Looking at it, it seemed totally legit - packaging and discs!There is feedback from others that had bought them that seemed quite happy so the payback issues were with me ( I tried multiple players, by the way)


Did it come with the booklet an liner notes?


Yep, the whole shabang!

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 4:04 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

That's pretty elaborate for someone pull off, booklets, pressed CDs... I can see how this would be tricky to spot. I find this really weird, because while bootleggers and fakes were always around, these are obviously "professionally" made fakes. I would not have thought that producing these would be a worthwhile past time.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 4:25 AM   
 By:   Big Jim T Wilson   (Member)

There was a thread a while back about counterfeit copies of Ghostbusters, and I believe someone has posted in this thread that the way to spot those was some spelling mistakes in the track listing. That itself is mindblowing because it means they’re reconstructed booklets. Not even just high quality copies.

I reported every copy of Hook that this particular seller listed on eBay for about a month. At least one a week. Nothing came of it. But selling that many copies at prices ranging from £20 to £100 we can see how it might be profitable to put money into making them in the first place. It’s maddening and frustrating to see.

There are two CD’s in my collection which I question a little in terms of legitimacy. Maybe three. And the thing that winds me up the most about it, is whoever is behind it obviously knows of and understands our community of collectors. That’s really sad. Rolex’s and handbags I get…. Huge markets and I’m sure they shift huge numbers. But film score CD’s? There’s not that many of us in the grand scheme of things, and one of us might be a crook.

 
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