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 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   WhoDat   (Member)

Not being in the film business but having followed and collected film music for 35 years, I've got a not-entirely-serious question for the experts, though I'm legitimately curious.

Since Tomorrow Never Dies and the re-scoring thread are getting all the love around here this week (hopefully my copy will be here by early next week!), I'd like to know exactly what the experts think it would COST these days to hire David Arnold to re-score Goldeneye with a full, professional orchestra nearly 27 years after its release? For this little thought experiment let's assume a few things:

• David Arnold is available and interested in the project;
• EON/Amazon blesses the project and grants the rights to use all the Bond themes;
• The Tina Turner/Bono song stays in place and Arnold is allowed to work its melody into the score;
• Arnold's new score wouldn't officially replace Eric Serra's score in streaming/home video releases, but it could potentially be toggled as an alternate audio track;

So what's the dollar amount (composer, orchestra, mixing, any other release costs) that could make this happen..?

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   johnonymous86   (Member)

To quote a morally lacking doctor from a similar franchise: "One Hundred Billion Dollars."

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Who's saying David Arnold hasn't already done it?

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

I also have this same dream where I get Christopher Young to re-score Monkey King 3.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

So, can you do that without causing a stink in re-use fees Serra and Altman get (assuming both are with the AFM)?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

It would be a terrible experiment, despite my love of Arnold. Serra's score is one of the best Bond scores of all time and needs to stay exactly where it is; I prefer it over any and all Barrys. You're allowed to be outraged now. big grin

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Over two decades, we've gone from outrage, to apathy when reading Thor's posts.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   John Webster   (Member)

This would never happen, and thank goodness.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   Big Jim T Wilson   (Member)

I imagine you're going to get a lot of "I disagree with this" and "but I like Goldeneye" replies than you'd like, but regardless of my opinion of the score, it's an interesting, if not utterly improbable thing to think about.

I guess a starting point would be to look at how much some recent re-recordings have been aiming for on Kickstarter. Intrada for example... I think Black Patch was around $40,000 and On Dangerous Ground about $60,000 was raised. But of course, the music was already written. So I have no idea what Arnold's fee would be for this hypothetical re-score. There would also be about a million additional costs that I have no idea about and would never guess.

Shaping up to be a pretty expensive bonus feature! big grin

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Over two decades, we've gone from outrage, to apathy when reading Thor's posts.

Speak for yourself.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   Col. Flagg   (Member)

It would be a terrible experiment, despite my love of Arnold. Serra's score is one of the best Bond scores of all time and needs to stay exactly where it is; I prefer it over any and all Barrys. You're allowed to be outraged now. big grin

A good thing you don't need taste to make statements like this.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 3:28 PM   
 By:   BTTFFan   (Member)

Let's rewrite all the scores we don't like...

Serra's score rocks

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   rich.sherrill   (Member)

To paraphrase Fred Flintstone, I don't know what Eric Serra got for doing GoldenEye, but he shoulda got life.

I love the theme song, but the rest of this score I never listen to. Once was enough.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

I know it cost about 20,000 Euros to record 40 minutes of music with the City of Prague Philharmonic about three or four years ago.

But yeah, count me along the GOLDENEYE-likers.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   Konga   (Member)

Please LLL, on 2023's Black Friday bring us Eric Serra's complete and expanded edition of his GOLDENEYE score.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Why would David Arnold want to rescore a film that's been out for decades? He's got a lot on his plate right now.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 4:47 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

It would cost the same as if it was a current film being scored. All the same work of a regular film score would apply. The only possible savings is with the film being absolutely picture-locked so Arnold would know what to score for and nothing more.

But then you’d still have to pay the director and whomever to weigh in on the score, spot with the Music Editor / Editor unless Arnold would use original spotting notes. But then you’d still have to go through revisions unless he nailed it the first time.

Then you’ve got repeated costs to again mix the sound for the film itself, given the new music, which would necessitate more costs. And if we’re getting literal here, that might get extremely expensive if it wasn’t done digitally with non-linear editing (I don’t believe it was at that time) so you’d have to source all the original sound and VO tracks and remove any adjustments and start from scratch.

That’s expensive.

So, basically the same cost.

In terms of quality too, it’s a big question - would Arnold be matching his compositional style to what he would have done back in 1995? At that time he hadn’t even done STARGATE yet so would he be mimicking his compositional skill level at that time? It would be weird to give GOLDENEYE a modern score. I personally would really hate it.

Ultimately the film is a product of all the parts that went into it. Would the editor make adjustments based on the music? Would the sound designers choose different sounds based on the music? Does the tone of the film change? As bland as Serra’s music was and how poorly it plays on album because most of the music was tracked, I still think it fits pretty well. And Altman’s Tank Chase music works well too.

I say keep it as is.

But that’s my answer to the thought experiment.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 4:50 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Over two decades, we've gone from outrage, to apathy when reading Thor's posts.

Speak for yourself.



Offering a direct answer to a topic question would go a long way towards reducing that apathy.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 6:34 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

If EON and Amazon both wanted to do it, and Amazon was paying for it, that's pennies to them. It's trivial and they could do it in a heartbeat. But if it wasn't Amazon's idea, and buying their assent was one of the costs, then it pretty much can't be done.

That said, a lot of people hate all the re-writing of STAR WARS history at Lucas' whims, and that's how I would feel about revising the Bond films, even "just" the music.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 11:39 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Over two decades, we've gone from outrage, to apathy when reading Thor's posts.


Don’t pretend to speak for all of us.

We hate that big grin

 
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