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You may notice some posts missing because this thread went in a direction that is not allowed here.
Please don't do it again.
Lukas
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Has anybody received their copy of Chaplin?
If so, please give us some opinions on it.
Mine is still in transit from Screen Archives.
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....or we could just drop it, you think?
Just let this go maybe?
You want to just ignore a website that’s actively ripping off LLL and presumably other labels? Like, making pure profit off their hard work?
Yavar
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Lukas removed the website's name from the original post, so I infer that he doesn't want it identified here, or discussed further.
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I think Chaplin is amazing. Probably should have won. It's so moving, emotional, nostalgic.
I think Barry labelled his Bond music "Mickey Mouse music" because there was no deep character to score. You hear the difference between his Bond music and Chaplin. I think his Bond scores are terrific, but there is a deeper emotion in his non-Bond work that brought the best out of him.
Barry's full term for the Bond series was "Million-Dollar Mickey Mouse music," alluding to difference in physical size and scale compared to depth of characterization.
I first heard the CHAPLIN main theme when PBS aired the Great Performances episode "John Barry MOVIOLA" in early 1993. Within the program, director Richard Attenborough discussed his confidence in Barry despite not having heard a note of material before the first recording session, yet not anticipating that the theme would be so sad -- and neither did I. We then saw an excerpt from the film, with Chaplin slowly removing his character makeup before his dressing-room mirror. How unexpectedly powerful: not just Barry's theme, but the promise of Robert Downey Jr.'s performance and potentially the film's approach, from just those few seconds viewed. I bought Barry's CHAPLIN album the next day, then rented the movie on laser disc as soon as it was available.
Barry and Downey were both robbed at the Oscars that year (along with Goldsmith's BASIC INSTINCT). Then again, with five nominees it takes only 21% of the vote to win -- and history shows that Academy members tilt toward songs and song scores such as Menkin's for Disney, over orchestral underscore. But CHAPLIN is an authentic John Barry masterpiece, and I'll be returning to the well for this new release.
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Lukas removed the website's name from the original post, so I infer that he doesn't want it identified here, or discussed further.
CORRECT. Townerbarry, please do not do it again. Yavar, you weren't helping. END!
Lukas
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Ok, sorry Lukas.
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I love this expansion!
My favorite cue--In the Cutting Room. That beautiful clarinet over the bed of strings. What a great melody.
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Mar 19, 2023 - 5:22 PM
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vncvbv
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So, if my calculations are correct - "just" 30:37 min of previously unreleased music (including Chaplin own themes). 
Can't wait!
I can't actually work out how much of it is unreleased from the track listing. For example, I assume Tracks 2 and 3 are mostly the same as Track 33 (Track 2 on the original CD), and Tracks 6 and 7 are the same as Track 34 (Track 4 on the original CD), except for a few seconds here and there. Some of the others seem to be retitled eg. Track 16 was originally ‘News Of Hetty’s Death/Smile’ (see 35 - Track 9 on the original). I'm also guessing Track 32 is the Downey Jr song version of Smile. It appears to me there's more like around 15 minutes unreleased but I could be wrong. In saying that, it will obviously be good to hear it.
I prefer a time when # meant previously unreleased music and ## meant contains a portion of previously unreleased music - the references to the other compositions could have been made elsewhere, though for legal reasons I suppose it had to be the back cover, anyhow here's my breakdown -
1. Chaplin-Main Theme
2. Hannah’s Hope/ Workhouse Chase / Mudflats
3. To The Asylum #
4. Charlie On Riverbank
5. Charlie Proposes
6. Charlie Goes To The U.S. ##
7. In The Cutting Room
8. Discovering The Tramp / The Wedding Chase
9. Funny With A Hose / This Is My Work #
10. News Of Hetty #
11. Chaplin’s Studio Opening
12. The Roll Dance
13. To Salt Lake City #
14. Salt Lake City Episode
15. Tea For Four #
16. Hetty’s Dead / Smile
17. Remembering Hetty
18. I Had No Home #
19. From London To L.A.
20. The Hungry People / Smile ##
21. Farewell Sweet Prince #
22. Joan Out Of Control #
23. Joan Barry Trouble / Oona Arrives
24. Premiere Fanfare #
25. It’s All Over / Guilty #
26. Theme From “Limelight” #
27. They’ve Thrown You Out #
28. Madness, Charlie? #
29. Smile
30. The Roll Dance
31. Chaplin-Main Theme / Smile
32. Smile
33. Early Days In London
34. To California / The Cutting Room
35. News Of Hetty’s Death / Smile
Early Days In London combines Hannah’s Hope/ Workhouse Chase / Mudflats with Charlie On Riverbank, To California / The Cutting Room contains Charlie Goes To The U.S. (starting at 01:18) with In The Cutting Room.
News Of Hetty’s Death / Smile is complicated, from what I can gather the 1992 album mix contains a unique longer version of Hetty's Death/Smile, although the album uses the longer Smile section from the previously unreleased The Hungry People, rather than the shorter portion of Smile on Hetty's Dead/Smile.
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For those more "in the know" than me (Mr. Woolston is always extremely knowledgeable when it comes to Barry), are the Original Album Suites on this release unique album recordings made for the original soundtrack, or are they edits of cues from the film? I usually assume the latter to be the case when the liner notes don't really mention anything.
At any rate, this is a wonderful release, prime Barry, I'm quite enjoying it, and I've always enjoyed the incorporation of quotes from Chaplin's own scores too!
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