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 Posted:   Mar 18, 2023 - 12:52 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

Do the master tapes from the original recordings still exist ? Or any other sources of the OST complete recordings ?

I fear not, since FSM or Intrada have never issued them while boh these labels love Leonard Rosenman's film music.

Any information would be really appreciated.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2023 - 1:12 AM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

They exist, problem is that Sony would have be involved in the release (due to the 1950s "A Tribute To James Dean" album).

"East of Eden" is out there (have a look on discogs and soundtrackcollector), but RWAC isn't.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2023 - 2:44 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

They exist, problem is that Sony would have be involved in the release (due to the 1950s "A Tribute To James Dean" album).

"East of Eden" is out there (have a look on discogs and soundtrackcollector), but RWAC isn't.



Thank you, Stefan. I am still surprised that considering the amount of projects Didier C. Deutsch has been involved since the early 1990s for Sony, only the Tribute to James Dean album has been released on CD and not the compete film scores.

A Man Called Horse original album is also owned by CBS/Sony but FSM could release it.

I've just found a used copy of the complete recordings conducted by William Motzing with the Czech Symphony Orchestra on Edel, and the listening experience of the complete scores is much better than the few excerpts in the Tribute to James Dean album or the suites recorded by John Adams on Nonesuch.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2023 - 12:53 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

I have both of those scores note complete off the original tracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2023 - 1:25 AM   
 By:   gyorgyL   (Member)

The William Motzing's recording on Edel is excellent

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2023 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

I'm in two minds about the Motzing. The more contemplative passages are wonderful (the lengthy "Cal's Redemption and Finale" is gut-wrenching), but I find the "tense" tracks to be a bit bloated, lacking punch. Still, it's very good. On the whole though, I'm more drawn to the Adams recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2023 - 8:47 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

One hopes we FSMers are all acquainted with Leonard Rosenman's 1977 re-visit of these two scores in the album from 9-30-55. Lack of discussion on 9-30-55, though, causes me to wonder just how many of us like (or dislike) this disc?

There are plenty of other early Rosenman titles from the late-1950s and early-1960s which are absent on discs, too, besides East of Eden & Rebel Without a Cause. What we have is The Cobweb, Edge of the City, Hell Is For Heroes & The Chapman Report - and this is about it along with Lenny's TWILIGHT ZONE episode and his 2 segments of HITCHCOCK.

 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2023 - 10:18 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

I'm very happy with the Adams recording.

 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2023 - 1:07 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I'm very happy with the Adams recording.

Oh, yes, that one is fantastic. The entire Nonesuch series was fantastic (Four albums highlighting a film composer, one each for Leonard Rosenman, Alex North, Georges Delerue and Toru Takemitsu). Ah, those were the days, when such recording projects were produced. I got them all.

The New York Times even wrote an article about the series back in the day:

Regular Link:
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/04/movies/notes-from-the-movies-when-the-audience-exits-humming.html

Unlocked with my subscription (only valid for I think 14 days or so).
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/04/movies/notes-from-the-movies-when-the-audience-exits-humming.html?unlocked_article_code=SE6EcZOLijU4JTGaGR2kycMZU85HrGkVwB7fPyD_-Cttos7pMgCe75Px4h2fLAZA3Tx7ikhNE3wsPxZzD3y0wtcsku8XDFdyx9zpzneMfjuz0xOPg5VgKkRIO3r0Q25JHaTPkzDa0hsft6vFxRlVGoNewPvIAZCZ5hLssOA2MbVJa8zZ2B1qlGTbJy2s9eP2uDKD0A-km6giS28QkuJSJLSy9UJXXL7yP3dmLeCo9KYjnlV4_jum-XXVPkPR5wj9U6uB5rnd_OhCjKFTscXwXaQPz1EE-ZNk17exTmUu1uirMZx0ZDDw6aUvsESg9vrcU-xoJQRpc663grA52BcQm3xUwGtKUhn9ye5NUdRDLC-0nkblk_2_8zlZc-WzAaM&smid=url-share

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2023 - 2:56 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

I have both of those scores note complete off the original tracks.

Great to know that the complete original recordings have been preserved !

But I aso wonder how they were preserved.

Were East of Eden and Rebel Without a Cause recorded in stereo but only archived as monaural dub-downs, like many Warner Bros. film scores from that period ?

Thanks in advance for any additional information, Joe !

- Bruno

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2023 - 5:46 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

recorded in stereo and kept only in mono.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2023 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

One hopes we FSMers are all acquainted with Leonard Rosenman's 1977 re-visit of these two scores in the album from 9-30-55. Lack of discussion on 9-30-55, though, causes me to wonder just how many of us like (or dislike) this disc?

Oh yeah--https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=66148&forumID=1&archive=0

Rats, can't find the thread where I commented on my LP.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2023 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

recorded in stereo and kept only in mono.

Joe, where did the source tapes come from? The studio or from Rosenman? Are any interested labels aware?
Also wondering if his "Countdown" (1967) score recordings still exists.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2023 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

East from the studio
Rebel from a private collection

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2023 - 6:09 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Nice to know they exist even if a label isn't interested. Guess you didn't see "Countdown" anywheres.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2023 - 7:50 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Nice to know they exist even if a label isn't interested.

Maybe LLL would have produced both scores if their GIANT double CD hadnĀ“t been such a commercial failure several years ago. That one was a huge disappointment for them.
It is certainly not the case that no US label is interested in doing these two James Dean scores, but if you consider how complicated (and expensive) it has become in the meantime to license older scores in general from Warners, then it is no wonder that nothing happens anymore with these two scores. Add to that the fact that such licensing will be probably even more costly if also Sony is involved.

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2023 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

I think one of the problems is that Sony required a minimum number of copies back then - too much for vintage soundtrack releases - plus most of the production happened in-house. I'm not sure how this would have been for a soundtrack release like this. In some cases it worked out (like the ill-fated releases of "My Fair Lady" and "The Alamo"), but the James Dean album never seems to have been priority for Sony. The first CD release of the album has been in Japan in 1992 and it was not available (officially) on the US and EU market until 2003. I was happy about that release back then, but from today's point of view, a release of the full tracks should have happened (it would have been a one-of-a-kind possibility). It remains a pity that they used Warner's tracks for "A Star Is Born" and yet left these two iconic scores at LP length. A full-length release probably would have required two disks. The expanded "Dances With Wolves" released at the same time also was limited to just one disk.

I'm perhaps a little biased here, but in my opinion, the album should have been in the CD catalog from hour zero (like the CBS "My Fair Lady" disk in the mid-1980s). Problem is, however, that the general audience will be happier with a rock'n'roll sampler than the modernistic Rosenman scores. Nonetheless, it's odd that just about every bargain bin album/single related to James Dean has been re-issued (including Warner's own dialog snippet album) whereas the original tracks remain unissued. The same goes for Leonard Rosenman's own Imperial album which has never been re-issued by EMI/UMG.

 
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