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 Posted:   Mar 25, 2023 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   The Beach Bum   (Member)

I just picked up the Sony "Star Wars Trilogy" CD - yeah I know, I'm over 30 years late on this one! embarrassment

But reading the liner notes, I see that George Lucas formed the Skywalker Symphony to facilitate recording film scores in the Bay Area with "an orchestra that could compete with The London Symphony Orchestra or the Hollywood studio orchestras in Los Angeles". More specifically Lucas said that after TESB "I made a promise to John that someday I would build a recording studio in San Fransisco that would have a live sound to it like a cathedral so we wouldn't have to go all the way to London."

A great idea - so why did Lucas and Williams keep going to London to record STAR WARS sessions? As far as I know the only thing other than the "Star Wars Trilogy" CD the Skywalker Symphony recorded were Laurence Rosenthal's YOUNG INDIANA JONES scores (and even that show's sessions were moved to Germany not long after).

So why did Lucas abandon this new orchestra (and expensive purpose-built scoring stage)?

As far as the Star Wars Trilogy CD itself, I found it a very good compilation, though kind of redundant considering all the Boston Pops and Eric Kunzel CDs which covered the same territory (and the "Cantina Band" track is kind of kooky). Still, I'd love to have seen a follow-up "Indiana Jones Trilogy" CD, but again it seems the Skywalker Symphony got dropped like a hot potato for some reason.

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2023 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   afn   (Member)

Oh, they for example performed the score to the new "Boston Strangler" movie by Paul Leonard-Morgan- and all of them are listed in the end credits!

(plus the "Music Librarian" is Dan Brown - oh well....) :-)

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2023 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

Alan Silvestri (who lives in NorCal) recorded Predator II and Soapdish with the Skywalker Symphony, as did Christoper Young for Jennifer 8 and David Shire for Zodiac.

They've also done a lot of back-up work for pop albums, but they never really broke into film work for the most part.

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2023 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

They were also credited on a number of episodes during the run of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles" back in the '90's, as well as some follow up direct-to-video feature-length episodes into the late 1990's. I have no idea when the orchestra was finally over.

They also recorded two rejected scores ("Zoom" by Rupert Gregson Williams and "Murder in Mississippi" by Bernstein).

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2023 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Did it ever really existed or it is just a "fancy" name for individually contracted musicians from the area picked from various sources just like Hollywood Studio Symphony, Czech National Symphony and many/most of others?

Skywalker Scoring stage is certainly still active as RENFIELD was also recorded there.

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2023 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Did it ever really existed or it is just a "fancy" name for individually contracted musicians from the area picked from various sources just like Hollywood Studio Symphony, Czech National Symphony and many/most of others?

Skywalker Scoring stage is certainly still active as RENFIELD was also recorded there.


I've heard claims that the Skywalker Symphony was just the SFO under a contractual pseudonym.

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2023 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

Did it ever really existed or it is just a "fancy" name for individually contracted musicians from the area picked from various sources just like Hollywood Studio Symphony, Czech National Symphony and many/most of others?

Skywalker Scoring stage is certainly still active as RENFIELD was also recorded there.

I've heard claims that the Skywalker Symphony was just the SFO under a contractual pseudonym.


Could be. In any case, glad to hear that scoring stage is still in use though.

As for the original poster's question, I too am curious as to why John Williams and George Lucas abandoned the Skywalker Symphony, when Lucas' clear intention was to make it "the new Star Wars orchestra" and inaugurated it as such with that Trilogy album.

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2023 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   Manakin Skywalker   (Member)

Several of the Star Wars video game scores were also recorded there up until 2012. It seems to this day a lot of video games in general are still being recorded there.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2023 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Alan Silvestri (who lives in NorCal) recorded Predator II and Soapdish with the Skywalker Symphony, as did Christoper Young for Jennifer 8 and David Shire for Zodiac.

They've also done a lot of back-up work for pop albums, but they never really broke into film work for the most part.


Silvestri also recorded his score for "Ricochet" with the Skywalker Symphony (one of his most underrated).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2023 - 4:27 PM   
 By:   pete   (Member)

Not orchestra related, but Joe Satriani recorded one his albums there in 2013... there's footage of the studio in one of the music videos.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2023 - 1:18 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Did it ever really existed or it is just a "fancy" name for individually contracted musicians from the area picked from various sources just like Hollywood Studio Symphony, Czech National Symphony and many/most of others?

Skywalker Scoring stage is certainly still active as RENFIELD was also recorded there.

I've heard claims that the Skywalker Symphony was just the SFO under a contractual pseudonym.


Could be. In any case, glad to hear that scoring stage is still in use though.

As for the original poster's question, I too am curious as to why John Williams and George Lucas abandoned the Skywalker Symphony, when Lucas' clear intention was to make it "the new Star Wars orchestra" and inaugurated it as such with that Trilogy album.


I've seen the Skywalker Scoring stage quite a few times over the years in end credits, so it's definitely in use.

As far as the actual orchestra, I have no idea, but it sure is an interesting question. If it's the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra under contractual pseudonym, that would explain it's relative absence from film recordings, as the SFSO has quite a busy schedule. (It's an excellent orchestra, no doubt.)

In any case, musicians of that caliber are very expensive, and no one keeps an orchestra around if it doesn't regularly perform (concerts or (film) recordings).

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2023 - 6:50 AM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

It's the tongue-in-cheek name given to musicians contracted from the greater SF area and recorded at Skywalker Ranch. It was Lucasfilm's attempt to bring scoring in-house by building a soundstage that rivalled LA, but it never really caught on. People have contracted in SF sporadically over the years, particularly Mario Guarneri, who moved there in the 90's from a successful career in the LA Phil and Hollywood Studios, to transition to teaching at the SF Conservatory and begin a contracting career there. Seattle was big for a while, now it's Nashville. New York has always had a toe hold. I've mentioned elsewhere, Danny Elfman tried out SF musicians on Mars Attacks, didn't like it, and when he came back to LA and the trumpets played a particularly jazzy shake, he came running out of the booth yelling, that's it, that's it, that's what it's supposed to sound like!!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2023 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Reeve   (Member)

Is there a recording of - 'Han Solo And The Princess' - available - as recorded by - 'The Skywalker Symphony' (?)

It would have been great if John Williams had recorded it with - 'The Skywalker Symphony' - as that is my favourite concert piece he had composed outside - 'the scores themselves'.

I am only aware of three recordings which have ever been released officially.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2023 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Is there a recording of - 'Han Solo And The Princess' - available - as recorded by - 'The Skywalker Symphony' (?)

Unfortunately no.

It would have been great if John Williams had recorded it with - 'The Skywalker Symphony' - as that is my favourite concert piece he had composed outside - 'the scores themselves'.

Agree completely.

I am only aware of three recordings which have ever been released officially.

Other than the original soundtrack we have the concert version on Varese's EMPIRE STRIKES BACK re-recording, Silva's recording which has appeared in numerous compilations, Sony's THE STAR WARS SAGA (re-orchestration) and recently Anne-Sophie Mutter's recording with Williams' VIOLIN CONCERTO #2. These are the ones I'm aware of.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2023 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)



Other than the original soundtrack we have Varese's EMPIRE STRIKES BACK re-recording, Silva's recording which has appeared in numerous compilations, Sony's THE STAR WARS SAGA (re-orchestration) and recently Anne-Sophie Mutter's recording with Williams' VIOLIN CONCERTO #2. These are the ones I'm aware of.


There is also a recording with Roy Budd conducting the LSO.

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2023 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

They died, squatting on a rock on Ahch-To.

big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2023 - 1:22 AM   
 By:   maurizio.caschetto   (Member)

Did it ever really existed or it is just a "fancy" name for individually contracted musicians from the area picked from various sources just like Hollywood Studio Symphony, Czech National Symphony and many/most of others?

Skywalker Scoring stage is certainly still active as RENFIELD was also recorded there.


I've heard claims that the Skywalker Symphony was just the SFO under a contractual pseudonym.



No, it was the plum name for the Bay Area session musicians who were contracted for those recordings, but it might very well be that among them there were members of the SFSO playing, much like LA Phil musicians are sometimes contracted to do studio work.

Back when Skywalker Ranch post production services were rebranded in the early 1990s as Skywalker Sound, one of the aims was to have also a state-of-the-art scoring stage for big Hollywood films, but it seems it never became truly competitive. The Sony Classical "Skywalker Symphony" album was put together as a sampler for both the scoring stage and the quality of the musicians, whom were auditioned by Williams himself (future House of Cards composer Jeff Beal played trumpet on that recording and also did the synth programming on Cantina Band). There were voices saying that Lucas wanted to record the scores for the Star Wars prequels at the Ranch, but honestly I guess that was likely just a wild rumor. It seems Lucas always preferred to do scoring of his own films off shores, far far away from unions wink

 
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