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Alright let's restart this topic *without* the nonsense this time please.
That's surprising to learn that there's a limit on how many digital copies can be sold too. Doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.
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That's surprising to learn that there's a limit on how many digital copies can be sold too. Doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.
I think it does make sense when you bring in the union rules about reuse payments.
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I think it does make sense when you bring in the union rules about reuse payments.
That's true. It just seems odd that a digital release would be limited considering there are no "units" to have to produce.
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Well from the AFM's perspective it's likely about profits on the part of the record labels, not expenses.
Yavar
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You seriously believe someone at Disney made the decision *out of contempt* for fans...of compact discs? Not just, you know, to try and cut their losses a bit by saving expensive re-use fees?
Yavar
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What DID you mean by someone at Disney treating fans “contemptuously” then?
Yavar
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I did not know the digital download copies of INDIANA JONES 5 are limited to a certain number?
Is that so? (It's currently available from all the usual retailers.)
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I haven't seen Dial of Destiny yet either, not too interested in it. I will however watch it when it comes around on streaming (Amazon), I might even buy a 4K bluray (to add to the other ones). I don't have high hopes for the movie, so watching it is not a high priority.
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who said the digital copy is limited? First time I heard this.
It was in the other thread, which has been abandoned after it got derailed. Facebook postings from MV Gerhard were quoted about the standard divide between digital/CD/LP:
Before this thread gets locked (hopefully some posts can just be removed… and maybe some posters too, lol?) I thought I should share a discussion that’s been happening over the past day on Intrada’s public Facebook group. First, MV Gerhard wrote with some fascinating and informed insight about WHY Disney would have made so few (1,000-3,000 copies, folks) copies of this score on CD:
“ If it's anything like our deals for newer films scored in LA with AfM rules the breakdown is most likely this
Digital...10k units
Cd...1k to 3k units
Lp...1k to 3k units
Meaning a max of 15k so they don't have to pay exorbitant AFM fees if they sell more than that.
My guess is they pressed up 2k cds leaving 3k lps to sell, and the rest digital
Yes they underestimated the demand but in this day and age it's a miracle to get any physical product, especially out of Disney let alone a CD release. It sucks, but unfortunately it comes down to economics.”
I then replied to him with the following inquiry:
“your “10k units” comment makes me worried it’ll eventually be taken down from digital download sites too… a worry which never even occurred to me before!
How does it work with streaming (ie Spotify and Apple Music) involved?”
And he answered, “Yavar there is a crazy mathematical equation they use for streaming and per track as to what constitutes one unit sold”
Just in case folks here are wondering why a big corporation like Disney would “leave money on the table” and not serve customers hungry for their product. The answer is that doing so might cost them more money than they could make. In short,
Somebody at Disney probably doesn't want to lose their job, and thought this was a way of cutting costs (since they hadn't quite hit the 15,000 copy limit yet) when the film dramatically under-performed at the box office. And if pressing more copies means Disney would potentially suffer a net financial loss, I'm not sure why anyone here could expect them to do differently.
Yavar
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And yet it's free on YouTube and whatnot.
It's not exactly "free" on YouTube, even if you don't personally pay for it. Sombody does. (Maybe Google/YouTube via Ad Revenue shared with the license holders etc... whatever). It costs money to have the score on YouTube (even if it's just the bare bones cost of having it on the server), so someone somewhere obviously pays for it.
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who said the digital copy is limited? First time I heard this.
It was in the other thread, which has been abandoned after it got derailed. Facebook postings from MV Gerhard were quoted about the standard divide between digital/CD/LP:
Before this thread gets locked (hopefully some posts can just be removed… and maybe some posters too, lol?) I thought I should share a discussion that’s been happening over the past day on Intrada’s public Facebook group. First, MV Gerhard wrote with some fascinating and informed insight about WHY Disney would have made so few (1,000-3,000 copies, folks) copies of this score on CD:
“ If it's anything like our deals for newer films scored in LA with AfM rules the breakdown is most likely this
Digital...10k units
Cd...1k to 3k units
Lp...1k to 3k units
Meaning a max of 15k so they don't have to pay exorbitant AFM fees if they sell more than that.
My guess is they pressed up 2k cds leaving 3k lps to sell, and the rest digital
Thanks for sharing this, I didn't know about this. Interesting. I know sometimes copies disappear from Digital Download stores, sometimes they re-appear, sometimes you can ONLY stream something, sometimes you can ONLY buy something. I noticed this especially with classical recordings.
I know some classic FSM recordings, like THE OMEGA MAN and LOGAN'S RUN, are available for streaming and as lossless digital downloads (via WaterTower).. I wonder if it concerns those as well?
It's interesting again that AFM fees have become such a big issue again. I certainly believe that all these musicians are terrific and they deserve to get paid, but it seems it would be prudent if they would just get paid according to units sold. So if a release really hits the ceiling, they get more, and if a release just doesn't sell well, they get less.
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