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 Posted:   Sep 26, 2023 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

But regardless of the quality of their current music, I belong to those who think they should have abandoned the TD name when Froese passed and instead carried on under a different name. The only reason the name should come back is if any of the older, living members also came back, like Franke, Bauman, Schmoelling, Haslinger etc. Even Froese Jr. Yeah, I know, fat chance.

I think that's the best option: There should be some sort of involvement with previous members from the most iconic line-ups, even if that means, at the very least, Jerome.

The problem with this happening is Chris Franke now appears to be fully retired; Paul Haslinger is enjoying a lucrative solo career; Johannes Schmoelling has cultivated a discography on par with his time in the band; and, while I don't know the fine details, Peter Baumann and Thorsten were in the midst of working on some music after Edgar's passing, but they had a falling out. Peter will have nothing to do with them. (Edgar had commented Paul was the one former member he'd have liked to work with again.)

Thorsten's own venture is dubbed Picture Palace Music, and I feel if he really wanted to make his own mark, he'd attempt to tour as Picture Palace Music Plays Tangerine Dream, but then nobody will show up.

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2023 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

There can be a band tradition or concept that may not rely on a particular person and that could continue and passed on from "member to member".

I just don't agree with that. Either founding members, or members close in date to that lineup. Otherwise, change the name to something else.


Well, I definitely disagree with that then. I don't see why there must be a direct tie to a band name and a particular band member. And who defines what is "close to that linup"? And why would that have to be that way. If a band has a musical tradition over many decades, why should they change the name just because some members come and go? I don't see at all why the identity of a musical group must be defined by a particular person. Makes no sense to me. Unless it's a name like "Huey Lewis and the News".


There's not a single release from Tangerine Dream from 1970 up through Edgar's death in 2015 that didn't involve him. Even subsequent albums, minus the series of Sessions releases but including their 2022 album Raum, bear Edgar's name on at least a few track credits.

Edgar also recorded a number of albums with no extra personnel or a few guests but released them as Tangerine Dream in lieu of his own name.

So, there's that.

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2023 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

No doubt, good points, which is why I said up there: "Is "Tangerine Dream" the "Edgar Froese Project"? Or is it a concept band that could live on. Not sure how Froese would have seen it. I don't have a clear opinion about the current TD or whether they should continue, I'm just musing."

There are perhaps two different discussions here: whether all bands must be tied to people rather than ideas and should change their name when the formation changes (which I don't think should be a given), and whether Tangerine Dream is a band that's no longer "real" without Edgar Froese.
I have not actually heard any "Froese-less" music by Tangerine Dream (that I can think of), so I don't have a clear opinion on the new "Dream" lineup. No question, Froese was the defining grand persona behind the "Dream".

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2023 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

Another tidbit that's amusing is Thorsten's "we're not playing anything from 1987 to 2004" shtick, but they still include "Mothers of Rain" from Optical Race, which came out in 1988.

That means they're ignoring the other Private Music albums, including Miracle Mile, which is an outstanding soundtrack.

Thorsten also isn't playing guitar on this tour, but I'm not sure he's a great guitarist to begin with. But from 1970 to at least 2014, there was never a tour without a guitarist onstage, whether it was Edgar alone or another member (Paul Haslinger or Jerome Froese) or touring guitarist (Bernard Beibl, Zlatko Perica, etc.). Tangerine Dream should always have a guitarist up there (if it's all playback, this is moot).

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2023 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

A cover band plays another band's music. TD plays lots of music they have been involved in composing. Ergo it's not a cover band.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2023 - 11:40 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The band you saw was ARW (Anderson, Rabin, Wakeman), which featured the rhythm section from many of Rick's solo albums.

It was promoted as "Yes featuring Jon Anderson, Trevor Rabin and Rick Wakeman", at least over here: https://www.rockefeller.no/sc070618.html

 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2023 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

The band you saw was ARW (Anderson, Rabin, Wakeman), which featured the rhythm section from many of Rick's solo albums.

It was promoted as "Yes featuring Jon Anderson, Trevor Rabin and Rick Wakeman", at least over here: https://www.rockefeller.no/sc070618.html


The tour promoted them as Yes, and not without some controversy. But hey, you got to see Wakeman.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2023 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The tour promoted them as Yes, and not without some controversy. But hey, you got to see Wakeman.

Absolutely, and it was a great show. I interviewed Rabin in his hotel earlier in the day (it was he who gave me two free tickets), and I saw Wakeman coming out of the elevator when I was leaving. Surprisingly tall guy!

 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2023 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

The tour promoted them as Yes, and not without some controversy. But hey, you got to see Wakeman.

Absolutely, and it was a great show. I interviewed Rabin in his hotel earlier in the day (it was he who gave me two free tickets), and I saw Wakeman coming out of the elevator when I was leaving. Surprisingly tall guy!


He needs to be in order to reach all those keyboards!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   Indy1981   (Member)

I thought Tangerine Dream WAS a cover band!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I thought Tangerine Dream WAS a cover band!

What have you been smoking, and how do I get access to it?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   Indy1981   (Member)

I thought Tangerine Dream WAS a cover band!

What have you been smoking, and how do I get access to it?


Just joking, Thor. I absolutely adore TD, electronic scores and music.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2023 - 8:13 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2023 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   homiekenobi   (Member)

My wife and I attended the Austin concert on September 14th. It was a phenomenal musical experience. The Sorcerer Theme (Betrayal) and Risky Business (Love on a Real Train) were the represented movie moments. Their encore improvisation stood out as an appropriate highlight.

I personally appreciate and respect the latest incarnation of the band. As a fan since 1980, for me the best TD album is always the next one.

 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2023 - 6:42 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Good to hear!

 
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