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Director James Gunn said in the last few days:
"A lot of the score - maybe even most of the major themes - have already been written"
While it's always possible some other composer will be announced, Gunn had used John Murphy and Tyler Bates as a composers on films he directed, since at least 2010.
I couldn't find a pre-existing thread. Please link to it if there is one.
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James Bond is a continuing line of agents assuming the 007 role in the same universe, so it makes sense to use the Norman theme. This, however, is a different Superman, different universe than the original film; it makes no sense to use any pre-existing theme by other composers.
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007 isn't a specific person, it changes. The designation remains the same. Employees change, but the organization remains the same. And even that aside, it's not an opinion this is a different universe Superman. You can disagree with me, but it doesn't change reality.
Superman Returns was not a remake or re-visioning, it was supposed to be the same universe Superman from the original film (so it makes sense to use the Williams theme). Like I said years ago when the film was not release yet and they announced the actress who would play Lois, the actress choice made no sense because it looks nothing like the original Lois. I further went on to say that apparently having sex with Superman makes you younger and shorter.
Just like it in that recent Flash movie where they had the alternate universe Batman pop up -- Keaton. Same Burton Batman, only from that universe, so it made sense to use Elfman's theme for him.
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James Bond as was killed off in the last film. Another film is being developed, another actor will portray James Bond, 007. Same designation, same name, same organization. It's not a fan theory anymore. Show me one legitimate comment anywhere from the folks at EON of the producers saying it's a remake.
You can keep clinging to my Bond example likes it's a Jenga stick that topples of a whole mount, but it doesn't change the reality that this new Superman film was a different Superman.
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No, it's always been the same name. A fake name for an undercover government agent.
If you want to nit pick over directors, producers and films going back decades as some kind of way to change that, well, sorry they didn't have time machines to all come together to please you over reality. It's not going to contort to satisfy you as an example.
A new Bond, again, doesn't not change the universe. Again, please show me any comments from EON or the producers of the new film in development that this is a remake.
The only alternate-universe Bonds are the ones from the two films:
Never Say Never Again because it was not licensed from EON.
Casino Royale, which was not part of the Bond EON films.
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Feb 4, 2024 - 5:52 PM
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James Bond as was killed off in the last film. Another film is being developed, another actor will portray James Bond, 007. Same designation, same name, same organization. It's not a fan theory anymore. Show me one legitimate comment anywhere from the folks at EON of the producers saying it's a remake.
You can keep clinging to my Bond example likes it's a Jenga stick that topples of a whole mount, but it doesn't change the reality that this new Superman film was a different Superman.
Boggan, do you have any actual source of your theory other than the James Bond fanbase's lack of creativity and acceptance that the character himself is just an "absolute." I only ever hear this theory, I never hear any sound logic or evidence from the people in charge. It's always bunk. And easily dismantled. For starters, why do all of these individuals have the exact same personality as the person before them? Does MI6 just reserve the "James Bond 007" designation for the latest hard living but charming, cold blooded, sex-obsesed, card playing assassin that rises up the ranks? Isn't it nice that they all get to share the same entrance music? Do you think MI6 plays them the theme song during the naming ceremonies? Do you also think that every actor who has played Batman is a succession of canonical individuals who inherit the title of Bruce Wayne/Batman after the last Batman dies or doesn't renew his studio contract?
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I always wondered why that code name theory was brought up anyway.
There is no real continuity in the James Bond series. There are only eras of actors.
OHMSS with Lazenby tried to connect his Bond to the Connery era - but it made no sense.
The Moore era picked up on Teresa's death and had the same Mi6 crew - but it still was its own era.
Dalton was accompanied by the previous Mi6 crew, but Bernard Lee died so another M was chosen.
Then a complete reboot with Brosnan. And then the Craig era, despite rebooting again, used Dench as M again - but as a very different M.
I understand why it can be confusing. But EON never really was interested in telling one story from 1962 onwards. And it would have been silly anyway, with Bond aging so much.
After the Craig era ended with Bond´s death the next actor will start a new era.
They are all James Bond - but different interpretations of the same role. Simple as that.
As for Superman - the same applies.
Now, regarding John Murphy... I am not familiar with many of his scores. I hope he will create memorable themes. For me, since I grew up on the Christopher Reeve movies, John Williams wrote the definitive Superman theme (and score). It will be impossible to top that or even come close.
I still hope it will be a great Superman movie (Gunn is a big fan of the Donner film, so he might know what he is doing) with a great score.
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It's clear : James is the son of Andrew Bond and Monique Delacroix.
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I don't subscribe to the idea that John Williams' March from Superman should be the universal Superman movie theme.
I believe the reason why Monty Norman's James Bond Theme has worked all this time is not because the lead had been recast, but because the theme itself is a jazz theme. And I think this particularly jazz theme is able to be timeless. It applies to the character not the actor.
John Williams' theme is a march. And it's tone is rather bright. I personally can't imagine Williams' Superman March playing successfully in any of Zack Snyder's films without it taking me out of the moment. (Justice League: The Theatrical Cut was a Josh Whedon film, not a Zack Snyder film.) And for the record, I appreciate the Snyderverse films. They're now a Elseworlds series to me, that I don't mind going back to rewatch now and then.
Furthermore, the tone of Richard Donner's Superman: The Movie is different than the tone of Man of Steel. The 1978 movie leans into lightheartedness, and is arguably campier than the tone of the 2013 film. For better or worse, I will always associate Williams' theme with Christopher Reeve as Superman.
Unless James Gunn plans to ape the tone and style of Donner's Superman film, I'm completely open to hearing what original music John Murphy comes up with. I'm not a fan of Murphy's by any stretch...yet. He's basically an unknown to me too. I enjoyed The Suicide Squad and watched GOTGV3, but didn't really hear the score. I've started listening to their scores now on Spotify. So far, they're a long way off from what I was expecting of someone scoring a Superman movie. But I'm keeping an open mind. A lot will have to do with what kind of story Gunn presents, Corenswet's charisma as Superman/Clark Kent, and the tone of the film.
But regardless, whether they choose to use Williams' Superman March or opt from something entirely new and different, I don't envy any composer stepping into the role for Superman: Legacy. Fans can be cruel and harsh without having heard a single note played. 
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