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 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

I never got around to getting those scores on double CD, and I'm not sure how easy they are to find nowadays. A cursory glance suggests that I missed the boat on both. Brilliant scores both, my kind of Jerry G.

Was the Prometheus CD(s) of THE CASSANDRA CROSSING in 2008 the only one? And the Intrada from 2015 for CAPRICORN ONE? Anyone know the chances of a reissue? Yavar's usually on top of such things.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 4:50 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Intrada's 2015 issue of CAPRICORN ONE was already a (slightly different) re-release of Intrada's 2005 issue of the score. So Intrada has already published it twice, not sure how likely a third time would be.

CASSANDRA CROSSING has been released on LP and on CD before the Prometheus, the Prometheus is the most comprehensive one and the one to seek out and get though.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 5:05 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

RCA did the first CD release of CASSANDRA CROSSING in 1990, Graham, which was the old LP programme.
Prometheus issued the expanded edition in 2008, which I didn't buy, but have a CDR copy of (nestled in the tray with my legit RCA '90 edition).
I tend to stick with the LP programme for CC, which has all the best bits from the film (minus the terrible song...Goldsmith songs are generally terrible to me, apart from his RAMBO ones).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 5:11 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I have CAPRICORN ONE (LP version) on that two-fer with OUTLAND (also the LP edition) and the Intrada edition which was the ACTUAL film score, not the smoother re-recording.
It's much more jagged and atonal and bitty...but I love having it in addition to the LP recording.
And the LP version was re-issued on CD (with out out out OUTLAND) on that P label (Perseverance? Percepto? PeptoBismol?).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

As for chances of a re-issue?
Well, it's Jerry Goldsmith, so I'd say they will come out again sooner, rather than later (or right AFTER you've just splurged for an over-priced copy of them on e-Bay-Gum).

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 5:16 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I have CAPRICORN ONE (LP version) on that two-fer with OUTLAND (also the LP edition) and the Intrada edition which was the ACTUAL film score, not the smoother re-recording.
It's much more jagged and atonal and bitty...but I love having it in addition to the LP recording.
And the LP version was re-issued on CD (with out out out OUTLAND) on that P label (Perseverance? Percepto? PeptoBismol?).


The LP cut of OUTLAND was first released on GNP Crescendo (with the LP cut of CAPRICORN ONE), and was later re-issued by Warner Music in Europe (without CAPRICORN ONE).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 5:44 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Oh wait...I know CAP1 is a Lew Grace ITC Production, but Warner Bros have their tentacles connected to it, so if they have some kind of final say...it ain't coming out in the near future?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 6:15 AM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

One of my grails is CASSANDRA. Hoping someone finds the stereo elements for the complete score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

I should have been more specific that I was really only asking about the full score (or near enough) presentations on CD. So yes, the last time was 2015 for CAPRICORN ONE and 2008 for THE CASSANDRA CROSSING.

Ms. Gurdy, you mention that you usually only play the LP progs from those scores (although it's good to have the two presentations). I'm much the same. For example, I don't think that THE (FIRST) GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY works at all in its C n' C form, but it's really a wonder that so many things DO work that way.

Anyway, after 33 years, I'm still picking up CDs of the LPs I had to leave back hame in the Auld Country. Case in point, CAPRICORN ONE. I've ordered the Perseverance release (the great LP prog) and that'll have to do for now.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I prefer the old LP edition of CASSANDRA CROSSING on CD.
The expanded Prometheus is a bit choppy (if Quartet or someone brings forth a newer edition, with cleaner sound and presentation, I might be up for that...Break In is one of my ALL TIME Greatest Goldsmith cues...LOVE the OMEN-esque vibe throughout it*).

With CAPRICORN ONE, it depends what mood I'm in.
For nostalgia, it's the LP version I have on the two-fer with OUTLAND.
But I love the gnarly nature of the Intrada score presentation...typical gritty 70s Goldsmith.
Good luck in your searches Graham.



*my little sister, 5 years my junior - and 54 this year - used to hear and comment on my LP playing days back in our house growing up and I remember her coming in to my room at the end of the Break In track and saying 'Whooaaaa, Damian' wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Thanks for the good wishes, Ms. Gurdy, but I'm not really foaming at the gash for anything. Still got MACARTHUR to come in, plus THE DON IS DEAD (one you talked me in to - so it's YOUR FAULT if I don't like it), and two Horners. Plus I've got loads of stuff I haven't heard for ages, just gathering dust on the shelves.

But what I really want is...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Not a big CASSANDRA Fan...but CAPRICORN is a must have !

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Oh wait...I know CAP1 is a Lew Grace ITC Production, but Warner Bros have their tentacles connected to it, so if they have some kind of final say...it ain't coming out in the near future?

The LP cut of OUTLAND was re-released by Warner, the LP cut of CAPRICORN ONE came out on Perseverance Records. Both movies were distributed by Warner Bros, though I have no idea how that might effect soundtrack releases. I don't know who owns what currently. :-)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

"Still got MACARTHUR to come in, plus THE DON IS DEAD (one you talked me in to - so it's YOUR FAULT if I don't like it)"
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Haha...and it was Yavar who talked ME into DON IS DEAD.
I never really liked it from my old taped off the telly edition (that annoying quack quack synth got on my nerves) but he convinced me to listen to his Odyssey Podcast Mathingy and what I heard was...REV - A - LAVATORY!!
It's a great CD and I've no doubt you will love it to bits too.
It's got a gorgeous Love Theme that you would hardly know is there from seeing the film.
I think the song is even decent (it can join the RAMBO'S in the songs I like by Jerry cupboard).

And I've got MACARTHUR to come from Intrada too.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

One day it would be cool to get a 2CD reissue of Capricorn One that combines both the film and album recordings on a single release (and taking up just a single CD space on the shelf).

When it comes to Goldsmith, he film and unique album recordings were paired together on albums for The Prize (1963), Justine (1969), Patton (1970), Wild Rovers (1971), Damien: Omen II (1978), Masada (1981), and -- just last month -- MacArthur (1977).

For Stagecoach (1966), Capricorn One (1978), and the two Flint scores (1966/67), one has to buy some combination of two separate albums from different labels in order to get both the film recordings and the recordings made specially for LP. (And for 1967's Hour of the Gun and 1971's The Last Run, the film recordings alas seem to be lost to time and have never been released on album... I'm still not sure whether the album for QBVII was unique from the film recording.)

Intrada had left off the unique Masada LP recording from their original 2CD premiere of the film recording, but later when they revisited the title they added it to make that set definitive. Maybe someday they'll step forward to give Capricorn One similar treatment?


Haha...and it was Yavar who talked ME into DON IS DEAD.
I never really liked it from my old taped off the telly edition (that annoying quack quack synth got on my nerves) but he convinced me to listen to his Odyssey Podcast Mathingy and what I heard was...REV - A - LAVATORY!!


Thanks for the plug Kev!. smile Here's the brief podcast episode that convinced him, Graham, if you're curious to check it out -- the very first Soundtrack Spotlight episode we ever produced!
https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/5097955-odyssey-soundtrack-spotlight-the-don-is-dead-1973

It's a great CD and I've no doubt you will love it to bits too.
It's got a gorgeous Love Theme that you would hardly know is there seeing from the film.
I think the song is even decent (it can join the RAMBO'S in the songs I like by Jerry cupboard).


I also like the song! I wish I knew who was singing it... but yeah there's a lot of nice melody throughout the score that has been overlooked for decades because the weird synths of the Main Title kinda overshadowed everything else.

And I've got MACARTHUR to come from Intrada too.

Looking forward to both your thoughts on that! I personally connected with the edgier (and stranger, at times) film recording more than I ever did the original album recording. I expanded on my thoughts in this Spotlight:
https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/14140529-odyssey-soundtrack-spotlight-macarthur-1977

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Ah right, I'd just assumed that the Intrada release of CAPRICORN ONE was a double CD which included the original score plus the album re-recording. Quite glad I went ahead with the Perseverance order. I don't think I've heard this in well over thirty years, and yet every note of that old LP is burned into what's left of my frazzled brain. It'll be nice to have it again.

Regarding THE DON IS DEAD - I will get around to the podcast, Yavar, but I actually watched the film before I placed my order. As the End Titles rolled, my wife asked, "So, is it good enough?", and I replied, "Yeah, good enough." Although even in the film I was a little distressed by the synthy effects during the first five minutes.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I don't have much information to add here except that THE CASSANDRA CROSSING is still one of my top favorite, most listened to Goldsmith scores.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Regarding THE DON IS DEAD - I will get around to the podcast, Yavar, but I actually watched the film before I placed my order. As the End Titles rolled, my wife asked, "So, is it good enough?", and I replied, "Yeah, good enough." Although even in the film I was a little distressed by the synthy effects during the first five minutes.

Yeah, they aren't my favorite part of the score by any means but they've grown on me in the nice-sounding Intrada presentation. Or at least I've gotten used to them, haha.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

The LP cut of OUTLAND was first released on GNP Crescendo (with the LP cut of CAPRICORN ONE), and was later re-issued by Warner Music in Europe (without CAPRICORN ONE).


Isn't the LP version of OUTLAND included in the 2-disc FSM release?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Yes. Disc 2 is the old Warner Bros LP programme on OUTLAND FSM.

 
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