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Feb 29, 2024 - 8:14 PM
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GoblinScore
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Every boutique release is OOP within 3 months, at most!
As a die hard Goldsmith completist....for a film I've never seen, with a "lovely" YouTube rip awaiting 2.25mins of my time eventually, with a weak Rome performance no matter how you master it....as much as you master it....
It's a no for me, dawg.
This release reeks of filler. Filler for effing approvals for more relevant things.
Now, I 1000% support Intrada, since the 80s.
I understand the PR to excite and boost us to take interest in INCHON ROUND 4....5?
1/2, 3/4, multi track, mix downs....can you lot SERIOUSLY hear any difference in this awkwardly recorded and terribly performed, no matter how you mix it, score????
Maybe 20-30 somethings are as I was then. A new remaster, woooo!!! Sold without hesitation.
In my old age....ugh....belligerently, Why?? All the Goldsmith's to the repeated well....even Blue Max scoffs! Inchon? The questionable youtube link to the film is ALL there is to even put this piece to context.
This post I made sickens me, because I adore and respect Intrada's efforts.
But jeezum crow....if you are 40+, and have owned this twice,,thrice....can you care?
Who cares anyway, I'm anathema!!!!
Hate,
S~
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Every boutique release is OOP within 3 months, at most!
As a die hard Goldsmith completist....for a film I've never seen, with a "lovely" YouTube rip awaiting 2.25mins of my time eventually, with a weak Rome performance no matter how you master it....as much as you master it....
It's a no for me, dawg.
This release reeks of filler. Filler for effing approvals for more relevant things.
Now, I 1000% support Intrada, since the 80s.
I understand the PR to excite and boost us to take interest in INCHON ROUND 4....5?
1/2, 3/4, multi track, mix downs....can you lot SERIOUSLY hear any difference in this awkwardly recorded and terribly performed, no matter how you mix it, score????
Maybe 20-30 somethings are as I was then. A new remaster, woooo!!! Sold without hesitation.
Not sure what you want to say... recordings get continually re-released and re-mastered. In pop music, some (but not all) of the newer masters sound audibly worse than the original masters, in some cases a new remastering audibly improves the sound, and in many cases the differences are only minor and will probably be only noticed when you do an attentive side by side comparison.
But so what, re-release the stuff. I don't think any label "expects" people to buy the same recording over and over again. Why would they? Just to hear the exact same recording in a slightly different sound? I agree with you, I sure don't double and triple dip on all these recordings that get released, though I have done it on a few. It was always my choice.
It's certainly not my aim to continually update my collection any time a new release or remaster is released. And I don't think most people would. But there are some who do, and that's fine as well. All that sells well is good for our niche labels.
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I think Goblin is just venting his frustration at being a completist who MUST buy this even though he doesn't want it. It's a very terrible mental disease, Goblin, and I sympathise with you in your despair. I'm completely f'ckn' nuts m'self, but not in that way. I love INCHON, the wrong notes, the flubs, the bottles being knocked over in the wine cellar, and I'm perfectly happy with the 2-CD set I already have, so this new iteration don't bug me nowt.
My MACARTHUR hasn't arrived yet. It must be coming over on the slowest plane ever invented. Can planes actually fly at walking speed?
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Every boutique release is OOP within 3 months, at most!
Yes. This is a horrible reality. It's based on reasonable business decisions, of course. If you decide to release 5000 Hooks, do you press all of them at once? And have shelves and shelves of them sitting around for a decade? Yes, if you want to be one of the One Less Labels casualties. It's the third release of the thing, so probably not, rather: proceed with caution. That means it keeps going out of stock and then when it comes back into stock, sometimes months later, it may be snapped up just as fast as it was the previous time. Even though our CD buying numbers have dwindled, and these guys are theoretically releasing enough for everyone, we're almost back to the days of staying up until the midnight release and mashing the reload button to make sure we don't miss out.
And since the whole business model has shrunk, margins are narrower, so guessing the ultimate release number, and the batch amounts along the way must be done more and more conservatively.
That's what I glean, not what I know from experience, but it seems to bear out, and your statement is probably an unavoidable result of these guys making sure they can continue to do what they do at all.
This release reeks of filler. Filler for effing approvals for more relevant things.
If by this you mean Inchon is taking the spot of something like, let's say Night of the Hunter, I don't think that's true. Roger, Doug, Mike, MV, maybe even some unfortunate, score loving gnoll forced to labor in the depths of Varese's labyrinth would probably all have mad celebrations if they had the opportunity to get that music out. Anything many of us desperately want to hear, the film cues from Mockingbird, a properly mastered Star Wars, they want to hear just as much, and to make possible. If they aren't doing it, it's because they can't, not because they'd actually rather re-release the score for Ace Ventura.
I understand the PR to excite and boost us to take interest in INCHON ROUND 4....5?
This is the sixth. Not Intrada's sixth, of course, but in the history of the score itself, the sixth.
1/2, 3/4, multi track, mix downs....can you lot SERIOUSLY hear any difference in this awkwardly recorded and terribly performed, no matter how you mix it, score????
Not going from the first CD to the first sonic upgrade, no. I had a hard time hearing the boost. Further steps were likewise, but this time I very much can. It's deeper, 'bassier,' I guess, and that's helpful with this music.
I hear this argument with some movies, like Videodrome or Night of the Living Dead, that (and no one's saying this here) they're supposed to look cruddy, so why put them out in 4K, or even on a blu-ray. It's because whatever 'cruddiness' is inherent to the original film will come through more accurately, without the added cruddiness of VHS, or a lousy scan. And where there isn't cruddiness, it looks more like the film. With Inchon, the cruddy session conditions are what they are, but why compound that with a lesser tape, when you have an actually better one?
Yes, going not even from the first or second issue, but from the most recent version a couple of years ago, likely the best yet then available, this is a noticeable step up.
But jeezum crow....if you are 40+, and have owned this twice,,thrice....can you care?
I would say you can absolutely not care for just that reason. If you have it, then you have it. Doug says this very thing in our show. Enjoy the music you have!
But some people don't have it, ergo secondary market prices, even with five releases in its history. For some, if it sounds better enough, they may suddenly really enjoy it in a new way. I have this with a lot of the off brand John Williams scores Mike keeps upgrading for us, scores that were 'just fine' are suddenly, for me, new, great John Williams scores, because the sound improvements, even going from already decent '90s-2000s quality, push the music over some line I couldn't map out.
So yeah, enjoy (or don't, if you've just never been able to) the Inchon you already have. Enjoy the fact that this selling might make some more obscure, risky release down the road more viable. Think of it as the "One for them, one for me" thing some solid directors do, but for our little niche.
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Thanks for thoughtful and intelligent responses, honestly.
Dunno, this one just got to me. Chalking it up to a lousy week, took it out....eh, how about bot on Intrada but Sun Myung Moon! There's the culprit!!
Cheers y'all.
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If you’re into “thoughtful and intelligent” check out David and Clark’s conversation with Doug Fake and Chris Malone, linked above. That might totally cool your frustration about this whole thing..
Yavar
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