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To amplify one of the Orchestrator's points, I produced a re-recording of George Martin's score for three cellos and four trumpets for Strawberry Fields Forever (which constitutes the second half of the record) for my podcast. That's a 2:46 piece of music for seven musicians, all trained, several from the local orchestra. We played along with an isolation of the Beatles' rhythm track, and to get all the nuances of the performance right took three hours, and this wasn't a particularly complicated score.
These things take a tremendous amount of time, money and effort. I salute anyone who does this kind of work full time. It's incredibly difficult.
A three-hour session for 2:46? I've been at this game for over thirty years now, having produced over 180 albums, most of those with full orchestras. We were using the low-budget AFM agreement, so our sessions were four hours. In four hours, we got two songs an hour - with an ORCHESTRA and no rehearsal. That includes running it down, making fixes, patching in however many bars to cover any problems and a couple of overdubs. That's eight songs per session and in eight hours we were DONE with with the tracks for an entire album.
For the big Broadway cast albums it was usually three three-hour sessions and we got it done, just like every cast album up until a few years ago, when the producers began paying for them and doing them over a couple of days, which never happened before then, as you had to record on the cast's day off. That's how much time we had and we never went over it. To have seven musicians take three hours to record under three minutes of music for a podcast? I don't get it, I'm afraid  Do you think Bill Stromberg comes out of a three-hour session with under three minutes of music?
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Understood the scores may have been in hand already for Varese (and who knows the cost of those, but the controversial series was apparently popular)....
Was the series controversial due to performance or recording technique issues. Im no expert, but I love the Herrmann recordings even if I would have preferred closer miking. That issue was somewhat mitigated on their North by Northwest recording, but I love them all, particularly Marnie.
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Understood the scores may have been in hand already for Varese (and who knows the cost of those, but the controversial series was apparently popular)....
Was the series controversial due to performance or recording technique issues. Im no expert, but I love the Herrmann recordings even if I would have preferred closer miking. That issue was somewhat mitigated on their North by Northwest recording, but I love them all, particularly Marnie.
I love all of them too, and I said controversial for a number of complaints voiced here, including sound quality on Torn Curtain (recorded at Watsford Town Hall allegedly done the day after a beerfest (?!) which compromised the room), missing bars or instrumentation (Marnie), etc. There are countless threads and much higher pay grades that can address here I'm sure!
A number of issues, likely due to a single day of recording, folks here have which I don't. I'm a sucker for series....
My point is, yes one day recording will brew errors. As close to excellent as those Varese albums turned out, another day or even a pickup session or two just might have perfected things.
I realize it's somewhat apples & oranges in the end, but hopefully everyone sees what I'm getting at. Bruce made much more eloquent points above!
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James Horner Robin Esterhammer Kickstarter is a FLOP! Is a F L O P!!
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James Horner Robin Esterhammer Kickstarter is a FLOP! Is a F L O P!!
And why are you so disturbingly gleeful about it?
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I support this project and I put in my pledge, but it's probably not going to happen. Hey, it was a big project for a first time Kickstarter campaign. Perseverance aimed high, and if you aim that high, it can happen that you don't reach the goal. Nothing wrong with that. It shows how difficult it is these days though to finance orchestral recordings that are not otherwise sponsored.
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