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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1      General Discussion: "E Così Per Non Morire" inspiration for ROCKY   Last Post   Posted:   Mar 31, 2024 - 9:15 PM     By:   Bond1965   (Member) Watching SUPERSEX on Netflix and "E Così Per Non Morire" by Ornella Vanoni showed up in episode six. I'm thinking this is a beautiful song with a great arrangement and then about 3 and 1/2 minutes into the song I hear Bill Conti's music for the ending fight in ROCKY. I was like WTF?!? So I did some looking and while Conti didn't write this song, he did arrange and conduct if for Ornella Vanoni so technically that is his music because it only shows up in his arrangement at the end. https://www.discogs.com/master/2982923-Ornella-Vanoni-Io-Una-Donna James    Posted:   Apr 1, 2024 - 4:23 AM     By:   Graham Watt   (Member) Good find, Mr Bond. That song's from 1973, so way before Rocky. I'm not a great Rocky fan so I don't know if it's common knowledge. Anyone recall if Conti himself mentioned the origins in one of the uploaded interviews with him? And... henry... did you know about this?    Posted:   Apr 1, 2024 - 7:22 AM     By:   JeffM   (Member) Mind... BLOWN!!!    Posted:   Apr 1, 2024 - 8:02 AM     By:   Valiant65   (Member) I was looking for the April Fools joke of the day, but this isn't it. Henry is probably laughing out loud (like I did when I heard this) or in a fit of tears. The live version of this song (in black and white and also from 1973) does not contain this early Rocky arrangement, as she stops singing at 3 and a half minutes.    Posted:   Apr 1, 2024 - 8:14 AM     By:   Valiant65   (Member) This song is from Vanoni's album "Dettagli" from 1973. Conti also arranged and conducted the orchestra on one other song on that album "Io, Una Donna" but with no Conti flourishes as found on "E Cosi...". This entire album is just a joy to listen to.    Posted:   Apr 1, 2024 - 8:58 AM     By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member) You have a good ear, Mr Bond.    Posted:   Apr 1, 2024 - 10:02 AM     By:   Sartoris   (Member) So the end title music from 1976's ROCKY..was not from ROCKY...but from a 3 years older work in Italy? Very interesting to know that this pure 70ies Bill Conti theme is actually from 1973 and not 1976. It changes it all in terms of film music history. I wonder wanna know how many such famous themes like that haven't been created for the movie which made them famous...but for an earlier work, or album in this case. Plus that the arrangements are fantastic on this "preview" version so it's terrific alternate "ROCKY" music material.    Posted:   Apr 1, 2024 - 10:41 AM     By:   joan hue   (Member) Plus that the arrangements are fantastic on this "preview" version so it's terrific alternate "ROCKY" music material. I agree. That arrangement is gorgeous.    Posted:   Apr 1, 2024 - 3:39 PM     By:   henry   (Member) I don’t care when Conti wrote it, it’s beautiful any year!    Posted:   Apr 2, 2024 - 2:11 AM     By:   Graham Watt   (Member) So, can we finally confirm that Conti reused the last part of his 1973 arrangement for "E Cosi Per Non Morire" three years later for ROCKY? It seems odd that he didn't spill the beans in any of his interviews regarding that highly popular score. Or perhaps he did and I missed it?    Posted:   Apr 2, 2024 - 6:29 AM     By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member) Cool trivia and find, James. Fun to see old Bill testing out that ROCKY refrain on an earlier song arrangement gig. At least it ALL still belongs to Bill Conti. Kinda like how Michael Kamen already had THAT theme for ROBIN HOOD PRINCE OF THIEVES when he came to that film, written years earlier for just such a project.    Posted:   Apr 2, 2024 - 7:27 AM     By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member) So, can we finally confirm that Conti reused the last part of his 1973 arrangement for "E Cosi Per Non Morire" three years later for ROCKY? It seems odd that he didn't spill the beans in any of his interviews regarding that highly popular score. Or perhaps he did and I missed it? I've definitely heard/read it somewhere before now, maybe his appearance on the Scored to Death podcast?    Posted:   Apr 2, 2024 - 10:04 AM     By:   luquet3   (Member) Watching SUPERSEX on Netflix and "E Così Per Non Morire" by Ornella Vanoni showed up in episode six. I'm thinking this is a beautiful song with a great arrangement and then about 3 and 1/s minutes into the song I hear Bill Conti's music for the ending fight in ROCKY. I was like WTF?!? So I did some looking and while Conti didn't write this song, he did arrange and conduct if for Ornella Vanoni so technically that is his music because it only shows up in his arrangement at the end. https://www.discogs.com/master/2982923-Ornella-Vanoni-Io-Una-Donna James Great find, fascinating! Reminds me of Morricone's A Fistful of Dollars, which is also adapted from a song he arranged a few years before working on the film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAE9tFd6WkQ    Posted:   Apr 6, 2024 - 7:55 AM     By:   moolik   (Member) Well...this song was written by Luciano Beretta & Elide Suligoj...so it´s not a Conti composition per se. So one can look at the ROCKY score under a different perspective.Pretty amazing and its one to one. Nevertheless ROCKY is a great score and this is "just" one piece of it..BUT a pretty dominant one though. And I was like WTF as well....also because of the cemetery scene    Posted:   Apr 6, 2024 - 8:41 AM     By:   Graham Watt   (Member) Well...this song was written by Luciano Beretta & Elide Suligoj...so it´s not a Conti composition per se. So one can look at the ROCKY score under a different perspective.Pretty amazing and its one to one. Nevertheless ROCKY is a great score and this is "just" one piece of it..BUT a pretty dominant one though. And I was like WTF as well....also because of the cemetery scene The melody of the original song seems to me quite simplistic. I think it's the Conti arrangement that gives it its oomph, and the ROCKY music only becomes really apparent in the lengthy tailpiece, where it looks like Conti just went off and did his own thing.    Posted:   Apr 6, 2024 - 10:27 AM     By:   moolik   (Member) Well..still he is not the composer    Posted:   Apr 6, 2024 - 1:36 PM     By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member) The lack of law suits and years of royalty payments to Bill Conti for the ROCKY themes tell me he was.     General Discussion: "E Così Per Non Morire" inspiration for ROCKY    < 1  >   Go to page:  1   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1

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