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 Posted:   Jun 5, 2024 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I saw it on either NOW TV or BBC4 some years ago and didn't think much of it, personally.


Are you referring to the documentary ENNIO recently made by Giuseppe Tornatore?

If you are, you won't have seen it on NOW TV or BBC4 some years ago.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2024 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

And I won’t see the rest of it. Caramba, it’s not streaming on Watch TCM. Strange.

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2024 - 5:05 PM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I saw it on either NOW TV or BBC4 some years ago and didn't think much of it, personally.


Are you referring to the documentary ENNIO recently made by Giuseppe Tornatore?

If you are, you won't have seen it on NOW TV or BBC4 some years ago.

Cheers



It's been shown on Sky Arts if he means that, albeit within the past year to 18 months.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2024 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   Kentishsax   (Member)

It's been shown on Sky Arts if he means that, albeit within the past year to 18 months.

It was through my NOW TV thingy that comes with BT TV but yes looks like it was Sky Arts: https://www.nowtv.com/ie/watch/home/asset/ennio-the-maestro-2021/A5EK4nmp9qb5KpkoXHQSm

But the Tornatore documentary film is three years old now, so it might have been 18 months ago, seems longer.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2024 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Imagine if Korngold had been captured on film breaking down his theme to KING'S ROW and explaining what he did to get to it. Or Herrmann, Waxman or Bernstein. Composers are notorious for keeping their process to themselves. Goldsmith was deliberately so making him practically an inarticulate genius. So getting the most tacit and austere composer of the bunch to open up, tell his story, talk about his demons AND reveal the logic he used to make his compositions is a miracle, that I have never seen before and will probably never see again. I say "logic" because music is math and Morricone uses the term a lot. He was capable of playing chess and composing music totally in his head. One of the few composers who did not compose at a piano or with any other instrument. He thought if he did it would influence the piece so every instrument was imagined.

AND Tornatore started this doc long ago so he got to capture on film many of Morricone's friends and collaborators while they were alive. As much as I have enjoyed some of what Tornatore has done he has always been a flawed filmmaker, but not here. Probably because for this was a labor of love he created an almost stream-of-consciousness approach where each subject overlaps into the next. As Marshall Harvey (Joe Dante's editor) said at the last screening we attended the editing makes this film. The two hours and forty minutes are over in no time making you want for more. And the emotional accumulation by the finale packs a tremendous punch. I don't think Spielberg's Williams doc (which I am definitely looking forward to) will be able to get near this perfection.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2024 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

He was capable of playing chess and composing music totally in his head.

In the recent composer of the week(bbc radio 3)it was said that while conducting Days of Heaven he was playing chess with Mallick ( who was in the booth)!!

 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2024 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

I'm not sure about that Day. There is a photo of Ennio playing chess with Malick but I doubt it was while they were recording the score. Morricone was a relentless professional and very dedicated to the endth degree, so maybe during the lunch break or after recording was finished. Sounds to me like someone has seen that photo and added a bit of topspin to the story.

Anyway, well said, Henry. Good observations about Tornatore's masterpiece.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2024 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

That's what the presenter said so it must be true!M'kay.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2024 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I'm not sure about that Day. There is a photo of Ennio playing chess with Malick but I doubt it was while they were recording the score. Morricone was a relentless professional and very dedicated to the endth degree, so maybe during the lunch break or after recording was finished. Sounds to me like someone has seen that photo and added a bit of topspin to the story.

Anyway, well said, Henry. Good observations about Tornatore's masterpiece.


Thanks, Bill. Although Prince Damian is right. In the documentary Terence Malick actually said Morricone could actually best him at chess while being up at the podium, seeing the board only his mind's eye.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2024 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Vindication!! ( w**k gesture emoji, if there is one).
Thanks Morricone.smile

 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2024 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Lol

Yes, I can just see Ennio now, conducting "Threshing" on the podium and whispers into the microphone "Terenzio, l'Alfiere prende il pedone di Regina" - Bishop takes queen's pawn

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2024 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Lol

Yes, I can just see Ennio now, conducting "Threshing" on the podium and whispers into the microphone "Terenzio, l'Alfiere prende il pedone di Regina" - Bishop takes queen's pawn


And Malick's reply ' oh ,bollocks not again'

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2024 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

And I won’t see the rest of it. Caramba, it’s not streaming on Watch TCM. Strange.

The joke was on me, it took a while for whatever reason to stream and I watched the rest of it (and repeated parts) today.

First, a slight revision to earlier comment regarding melody. EM was denying being a melodist in the face of contrarian views. That was pretty much it. Still, I like the commenter's characterization that he had the melodic vein.

Second, the sequence with Gianni Morandi describing the frustration EM was put through was a hoot. Like three times they weren't satisfied with the music and finally he throws a fourth and final at them and says here you go and it's a piece of crap! Which they love and it becomes a big hit. This reminded me of a similar situation back in the 1930s when composer and lyricist(s?) deliberately threw a saccharine stink bomb song to Al Jolson which turned out to be a monstrous hit in both the film and follow-up recordings. It's "Sonny Boy."

Third, the reaction to Petrassi's insults: EM doubled down in film music to get "revenge" while vowing to "conquer the guilt." The on-camera look in his eyes as he described all this, measuring his words, captured stone-cold determination followed by sincere personal anguish. OMG if this were a performance in a conventional film he'd be nominated for an award. But it's a doc and he wasn't acting. Such a moving moment.

 
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