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 Posted:   Oct 3, 2024 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I got this 1977 album about a year after he died, but to be honest, I'm not sure what it is. Is it a score? A collection of library music?

Either way, it runs the gamut from weirdly experimental to wacky to predictably beautiful. I love it!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2024 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

The first side (great stuff) stems from the movie ATTENTI AL BUFFONE and the second side has miscellaneous tracks including the great Volo solitario which is the original main title from the TV series L'UOMO E LA MAGIA. Don't hesitate to visit the website www.chimai.com in such cases. There you'll find everything.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2024 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

I got this LP on release in 77 aged 15 - absolutely hated it. I think there was 1 track I liked at the time. Lol.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2024 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

I haven't played. In a while. I must be ok bought it again, think there were a few extra tracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2024 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The first side (great stuff) stems from the movie ATTENTI AL BUFFONE and the second side has miscellaneous tracks including the great Volo solitario which is the original main title from the TV series L'UOMO E LA MAGIA. Don't hesitate to visit the website www.chimai.com in such cases. There you'll find everything.

Thanks. Yes, I'm aware of the site, but I've always found it a bit confusing. Something about the interface there. I've generally gone to Soundtrackcollector or Discogs for Morricone info, but his output is such a jungle to navigate, I sometimes need help from the many experts in here.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2024 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

I haven't played. In a while. I must be ok bought it again, think there were a few extra tracks.

Yes, I got the expanded too.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2024 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

The first side (great stuff) stems from the movie ATTENTI AL BUFFONE and the second side has miscellaneous tracks including the great Volo solitario which is the original main title from the TV series L'UOMO E LA MAGIA. Don't hesitate to visit the website www.chimai.com in such cases. There you'll find everything.

Thanks. Yes, I'm aware of the site, but I've always found it a bit confusing. Something about the interface there. I've generally gone to Soundtrackcollector or Discogs for Morricone info, but his output is such a jungle to navigate, I sometimes need help from the many experts in here.


OK but you'll find much more details at chimai.com. If you look at the following lemma, I think it's very clear from which scores the tracks from this library album have been taken :

https://chimai.miraheze.org/wiki/Album_Opposte_esperienze_Vinyl-LP_Library_Cometa_CMT3_-_Italy_-_1978

The Grande ouverture is a pure gem. The comical side of EM is seldom tackled but it's simply fantastic. And other tracks like the Larghetto and the Largo are also favourites.

Enjoy.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2024 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

OK, cheers, so when we say 'library music', it isn't actually library music of the Alan Hawkshaw kind, but selections from three film scores? So more like a compilation?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2024 - 4:39 PM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

OK, cheers, so when we say 'library music', it isn't actually library music of the Alan Hawkshaw kind, but selections from three film scores? So more like a compilation?

That is up to anyone to define. Many of the Cometa CMT series LP, including this one CMT 3 are presented exactly as you would expect from a library. The fact that Morricone did not record the tracks specifically for this library does not necessarily make it less a library.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2024 - 12:46 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

That is up to anyone to define. Many of the Cometa CMT series LP, including this one CMT 3 are presented exactly as you would expect from a library. The fact that Morricone did not record the tracks specifically for this library does not necessarily make it less a library.

Hmmm....I suppose it depends on definition, yes. From what I read over on chimai, I categorize this more as a compilation featuring music from three films. Nothing specifically written to be used as library music, even if it may be used that way; or perhaps even licensed that way. Library music is something rather different to me.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2024 - 2:05 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

From what I read over on chimai, I categorize this more as a compilation featuring music from three films. Nothing specifically written to be used as library music, even if it may be used that way; or perhaps even licensed that way. Library music is something rather different to me.

However, the fact is that many so-called library music albums in Italy (also in France) during the 60s and 70s did use tracks from former film scores - without speciying from which score these tracks had been taken and with mostly fictitious track titles. If you therefore don´t know the scores well enough you would never find out from which ones these tracks really come. You would probably even believe that they could actually have been composed for these LPs. Take for example the RCA SP LPs, Fonit Cetra´s Serie Usignolo or all those many CAM CML LPs::
https://www.discogs.com/de/label/761501-Catalogo-Di-Musiche-Per-Sonorizzazioni?page=1
https://www.discogs.com/de/label/759354-Serie-Usignolo?page=1
https://librarymusicthemes.com/index.php?topic=209.0

All of these are typical library LPs - each of them contains tracks with a characteristic musical style (for example romantic, dramatic, dance music and so on). And quite often these tracks came from film scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2024 - 2:49 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yeah, I don't dispute that. It's just that, for me, library music is a genre in itself, music specifically composed for that purpose. Composers like Alan Hawkshaw, Johnny Hawksworth, Francis Rimbert, the whole De Wolfe Music thing, the April Orchestra series and so on. So technically, this CD is a collection of Morricone cues for three rather obscure films that can be used for this purpose.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2024 - 3:09 AM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

Yes, I definitely think there are two different kinds of library music albums. If I take the example of French composer Vladimir Cosma, he for instance recorded at the beginning of his career various LPs for MPI (Musique Pour l’Image) and as far as I can tell, these albums such as INSOLITE & CO and ENFANCE were thought from scratch as library. Yet, when I read the liner notes of the 4th box released by Larghetto Music, the composer said that the music featured on INSOLITE & CO (there renamed as IMAGES SPATIALES) was conceived for a documentary dedicated to the moon landing. Still, I’m not sure whether this stuff wasn’t actually used later on in the documentary. So, like the chicken and the egg, there’s often a doubt about what came about first. There was however no doubt whatsoever regarding the Cosma library music albums published from the late 70’s on by MCT (the famous Patchwork collection) since all the tracks were stemming from preexistent scores (MICHEL STROGOFF, VAINCRE À OLYMPIE, etc, etc).

Back to Cometa, I think that records like OPPOSTE ESPERIENZE were simply a way to exploit music that wasn’t released as soundtracks per se. Sometimes, labels like CAM would reissue on their own library records stuff that had also been released as soundtracks (DÉFENSE DE SAVOIR, LA SCOUMOUNE, etc). So it isn’t always easy to make the difference between the various kinds of records and I agree with you Thor that OPPOSTE ESPERIENZE can be seen as a Morricone compilation made up of 3 scores. But the simple fact that the record was aimed at musical professionals (sound illustrators, film editors, etc) makes it in the end a library music album.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2024 - 5:19 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Sure, otherwise it would probably have been called something else, and more clearly labelled a soundtrack (compilation). The title seems detached from what it contains. I believe it means "opposite experiences", which doesn't say much other than that it contains very different kinds of music.

I've always been fascinated by regular composers having a stab at PROPER library music, though. I have several by Nick Glennie-Smith and an early one by Elliot Goldenthal (which sounds nothing like his other work), for example. But that's a different topic.

 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2024 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   PatrickB   (Member)

It’ such a sinchronicity !

I just achieved an article on a subject around this LP Opposte esperienze", some other ones and some close aspects…
But not before December for the future issue #27 of our publication « Maestro ».

There will be new information, but of course, it wasn’t library music. I second teh Laurent78's post, and recommend especially this one containing the "Attenti al buffone" score, but on expanded CD from 2012. Very nice for (almost) every ear.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2024 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

The title seems detached from what it contains. I believe it means "opposite experiences", which doesn't say much other than that it contains very different kinds of music.

The title "opposite experiences" made much more sense on the old Cometa LP from 1977 than on the later CD as you had all the melodic and baroque pieces on side A. When you turned over to side B of the LP, you then got only those more dissonant and suspense pieces. Therefore the really appropriate title of this concept album with "opposite experiences" for side A and for side B.

 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2024 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Ennio experts never fail to teach me stuff - whether it is facts or observations - even after all these years owning the LP, I never realised that. Interesting explanation, Stefan. And thanks Laurent, Thor, Patrick, Slint, all helpful info.

 
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