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 Posted:   Oct 11, 2024 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

This is a music and clip rich interview, spending a lot of time on Jonathan's father Sol (and yes, all of the clips are his, even the military and industrial samples - took some deep research to find and confirm those), his own film career with a focus on the composers, all of which choices were important to Jonathan, and his work with Goldsmith on Love Field and Bad Girls. I hope you like it. He's delightfully candid.

https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/episodes/15906776-odyssey-interviews-jonathan-kaplan-on-sol-kaplan-love-field-and-bad-girls


 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2024 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

FINALLY!!!

 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2024 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Excellent!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2024 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Is this the FSM Kaplan, one of the Kaplan brothers who did those funny videos with the PREDATOR musical and all that?

 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2024 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

TIL that Jonathan Kaplan's father was Sol Kaplan.

 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2024 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

Is this the FSM Kaplan, one of the Kaplan brothers who did those funny videos with the PREDATOR musical and all that?

Different guy.

 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2024 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Jon and Al Kaplan of FSM are brothers, unrelated (as far as anyone alive knows) to Sol and Jonathan Kaplan who are father composer and son director.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2024 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Cheers! I had forgotten the Kaplan brothers' first names.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2024 - 7:01 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Currently listening to the Jonathan Kaplan interview. Fascinating to hear Jonathan's stories about his father's career and the turbulent time he was working in the business. So many clips of Sol's music that accompany his stories are great. What a great job you guys did putting it all together. Continuing to listen and enjoy. I'm thinking wow, what a great movie just that early part of Sol's life would make.

Back to the program... So cool to hear that Sol played piano on many of his own scores. THE DOOMSDAY MACHINE is definitely one of the Best STAR TREK scores written for the series. Love Sol's score! Love to hear that Sol admired Jerry Goldsmith and Johnny Williams and how he recommended his son to work with Jerry if he could. Sorry but I have to disagree with Jonathan on Dave Grusin's AND JUSTICE FOR ALL Score. I love that score and think it works great in the picture.
To each is own. Wow so many great stories. Love "Midnight at the Oaisis". Danny Wallin, Gary Morton Lucy Ball. Great story.

Horner on PROJECT X. Cool that Goldsmith possibly could have scored it. He did have a history with Monkeys. Cool to hear that Jonathan thought Horner's score was beautiful. Johnny's ACCIDENTAL TOURIST is superb. Love it. Gotta love the Black Exploitation music on the Turner film. Didn't know Jonathan did MR. BILLION. Love that Dave Grusin Score. It's a horrible movie but I always wanted a CD of Grusin's music. Glad Jon had a good report with Grusin. Neat to hear that Jonathan wanted to work with Michael Small.

I accidentally deleted a lot of my commentary here, so I'm retyping and trying to remember what I heard. This new Chromebook I'm on is so touchy and I've somehow leaned on keys and deleted so much stuff so easily and it's gone forever. Can't figure it out sometimes.

Anyway Great interview so far and Bravo to you Yavar and David! Really enjoying all the stories and music clips. About at the 0120:00 mark and see that I'm just about half way through. Will have to continue tomorrow. Can't wait to get into the meaty stuff with Jonathan working with Jerry! Looking forward to it. Until then, Great work and I'll be back here tomorrow to continue and enjoy. Ciao till then guys! Cheers!

I'm back. Interesting to hear about all the stuff that was going on with LOVE FIELD. I really love Jerry's score for BAD GIRLS. So many great rousing action cues!

Yes, THE ENEMY WITHIN was another great Star Trek TOS score by Sol Kaplan! I love Hummie Mann. I love his score for Joe Dante's THE SECOND CIVIL WAR. Never knew Goldsmith might have scored STARSHIP TROOPERS. Cool to hear that Jonathan really liked Jerry's CITY HALL score. Great interview guys! Thanks so much.






Just had to get this in for fun:

Jon and Al !!! The Wonderful geniuses behind "Without James Horner"

I LOVE THESE GUYS!!!

 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2024 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   Trekfan   (Member)

Fascinating interview, I was always aware of Jonathan's name and credentials, but don't think I'd ever seen or heard him interviewed (in audio or video form, aside liner notes) and what a fantastic podcast episode. As always, the selection of musical clips and their duration was top-notch.

@Zooba, what happened to your "enter"/"return" (CR/LF) key on your given device to break that puppy of a last post up into a few paragraphs for easier reading?

 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2024 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

...As always, the selection of musical clips and their duration was top-notch...

Thank you!

There was a fair amount of research needed to find some of them. The Army Signal Corps and "Happy Anniversary Mercedes" clips aren't just generic samples of those forms, a training film and an industrial, but those specific ones were really scored by Sol Kaplan, which was surprisingly tough to learn.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2024 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)


Just had to get this in for fun:

Jon and Al !!! The Wonderful geniuses behind "Without James Horner"

I LOVE THESE GUYS!!!



To each their own.

I personally find that video one of the most cringeworthy pieces of crap I've ever seen with Horner's name attached to it. Saw it literally the one time they put it out and tried to quicky forget its existence.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2024 - 5:42 PM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

One of the most interesting so far.

Great insights, although Gary Goetzman might want to steer clear of this particular episode.

Graham

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2024 - 5:52 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

This is a spectacular interview - a ton of valuable insight and Kaplan comes across as a really honest, knowledgable and genuinely nice guy - with superb taste in music and composers!

There's another layer of mystery associated with LOVE FIELD...

We all know why Jerry's original score and what ended up in the movie as so monumentally different, including re-mixing of the small number of cues left untouched, but less clear is why there are so many mixing differences between the original CD and the Deluxe Edition.

Was the original CD also compromised in some way? (there are track titling anomolies too - "Lost Luggage") - or was that remixed specifically for album presentation with the DE reflects his original intent?

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2024 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

One of the few directors to call out Horner openly on re-using music from classical composer such as Aram Khachaturian's Gayne Ballet music.

The other Director was Nic Meyer during the STAR TREK II sessions as noted by Lukas Kendall in a blog as well.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2024 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   Trekfan   (Member)

but less clear is why there are so many mixing differences between the original CD and the Deluxe Edition.

I can't specifically speak to the "Love Field" situation, but your comment brings to mind Bruce Botnick joining the Goldsmith Odyssey gang for their "Along Came a Spider" episode ( https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/episodes/8360054-odyssey-soundtrack-spotlight-along-came-a-spider-2001-with-bruce-botnick ).

They ask Botnick (at 17:47) about a synth overlay and he says the below. I figure in this "Love Field" case the elements to work with were slightly different or it's simply the aesthetic judgment (or current-world standards and practices) of the individual doing the expansion/remixing/remastering - their ears, their tastes, etc.


"Goldsmith Odyssey: And then there's a cue called "Profiling", near the end, and at about a minute and six seconds, on yours, there's a keyboard that has this kind of rhythm that goes under. And on Varese, there's no keyboard there. It's just kind of a "hum".

Botnick: Well, you know, when I built the album way back then, I can't remember what I used. I mean what I used for my source. It could have been off of a DAT tape for all I can... you know, 'cause when I have a chance to get in, and do it anew, I approach it differently. 'Cause I'm not the same person I was then. It all has a different meaning to me. And I'm responding emotionally. It's always an emotional response."

 
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