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 Posted:   Oct 29, 2024 - 4:37 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I love these two Goldsmith themes done a year apart from each other. I find them both very hopeful and they always make me feel better.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2024 - 4:55 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Hey buddy! Totally agree. Fantastic themes. Always loved Voyager opening theme and main credits. While a little dated today the visuals were spectacular back in the day. The combination of music and visuals were a work of art. Really hits me once the horns come in. As far as First Contact if you mean the theme when the Vulcan ship arrives then again yes, great theme and very majestic like Voyager.


 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2024 - 5:42 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I love these two Goldsmith themes done a year apart from each other. I find them both very hopeful and they always make me feel better.

Hey Henry, Absolutely, agreed.
Both very fine optimistic themes, they make me miss those days very much.
They have a lot of heart

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2024 - 5:49 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I love these two Goldsmith themes done a year apart from each other. I find them both very hopeful and they always make me feel better.

Hey Henry, Absolutely, agreed.
Both very fine optimistic themes, they make me miss those days very much.
They have a lot of heart


Optimism is something missing from today's Star Trek. I just happened to come across an episode of Voyager where they were trapped in some void with a bunch of other alien spaceships. While some aliens were attacking one another to steal resources and stay alive Janeway reaches out to everyone and tries to make alliances to join forces and work as a team to escape the void. Most importantly she insists the alliances she makes doesn't break Starfleet mandates or her own moral core and ethics. Compare that to Nu-Star Trek full of self-centered morally bankrupt characters.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2024 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   Goatmeal   (Member)

Optimism is something missing from today's Star Trek. I just happened to come across an episode of Voyager where they were trapped in some void with a bunch of other alien spaceships. While some aliens were attacking one another to steal resources and stay alive Janeway reaches out to everyone and tries to make alliances to join forces and work as a team to escape the void. Most importantly she insists the alliances she makes doesn't break Starfleet mandates or her own moral core and ethics.

Ha! I had forgotten about that episode (aired February 14, 2001).

It's pretty much the same plot set-up as the excellent FPS "Star Trek Voyager: Elite Forces," released in September 2000: a Bermuda triangle in space. Except, you know, for all the video game violence of blasting away the bad guys... ;^D

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2024 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Janeway was a blind Mrs. Columbo squirrel who found a nut once in a while.

Let's not forget what a horrible person she really was. She took Voyager into a suspicious nebula so they could get power from it ("There's coffee in that nebula", LOL).

When Ensign Kim was killed by being blown out into space, so let the alternate reality Kim take over and man -- I don't recall a tear or a funeral.

More than once she let enemies take positions of power on the ship, which lead to disastrously consequences.

She made a deal with the Devil -- the Borg -- so she could get the crew home faster, resulting in the billions of lives lost on other world's taken as a result of her actions, by the Borg. Screw you, innocent business-minding space aliens!

She spent more time experimenting with new hairdos than minding her crew.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2024 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I love these two Goldsmith themes done a year apart from each other. I find them both very hopeful and they always make me feel better.

Hey Henry, Absolutely, agreed.
Both very fine optimistic themes, they make me miss those days very much.
They have a lot of heart


Optimism is something missing from today's Star Trek. I just happened to come across an episode of Voyager where they were trapped in some void with a bunch of other alien spaceships. While some aliens were attacking one another to steal resources and stay alive Janeway reaches out to everyone and tries to make alliances to join forces and work as a team to escape the void. Most importantly she insists the alliances she makes doesn't break Starfleet mandates or her own moral core and ethics. Compare that to Nu-Star Trek full of self-centered morally bankrupt characters.


agreed, Voyager got a lot of flack, but the spirit of the thing was correct, and they had some good characters. I think Janeway is probably one of the strongest female character in TV history.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2024 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

Agreed. I found the optimism to be missing even from the Giacchino music in 2009, which was kind of more about the action and adrenaline of JJ's take on the universe... not about the stately nobility of the mission, which is what all the other scores seemed to be scoring. That's one of the big reasons the MG scores (and the themes for the Paramount+ shows) haven't really worked for me.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2024 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   purplemonkeydishwasher   (Member)

The Voyager theme began to really resonate with me during the first months of the pandemic. That was a weird, lonely time. Not so many people out and about, and many of those that were out disappeared behind masks. At times, the freeway was empty, in the middle of the day. Compounding that, here in Minneapolis, the protests that began after George Floyd was killed had a number of stores boarding over their display windows, reinforcing that same strange, lonely feeling.

The Voyager reruns were on TV at 10:00 here (they still are); I would often fall asleep with Voyager on, but usually was still awake when the closing credits ran. The Goldsmith theme has just the right touch of melancholy to it, but also has that optimistic, "we can get through this" flavor. It felt like a little bit of a lifeline back in those days. It's become my favorite of the Trek themes.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2024 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

The Voyager theme began to really resonate with me during the first months of the pandemic. That was a weird, lonely time. Not so many people out and about, and many of those that were out disappeared behind masks. At times, the freeway was empty, in the middle of the day. Compounding that, here in Minneapolis, the protests that began after George Floyd was killed had a number of stores boarding over their display windows, reinforcing that same strange, lonely feeling.

The Voyager reruns were on TV at 10:00 here (they still are); I would often fall asleep with Voyager on, but usually was still awake when the closing credits ran. The Goldsmith theme has just the right touch of melancholy to it, but also has that optimistic, "we can get through this" flavor. It felt like a little bit of a lifeline back in those days. It's become my favorite of the Trek themes.


I have always found our classic Treks comforting, and I think that is pretty common for us in that group. Probably the most consistent optimistic force in my life since I was a kid is classic Trek. That is a very good and open story you tell there. Those were hard times.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2024 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

The Voyager theme is extremely good in itself, soaring and stately, but the TV show could have benefited from something that highlighted action, suspense, urgency. The ultimate "urgent action" series theme for me is Seven Days by Scott Gilman.

The main title to First Contact, before the mechanistic Borg cube music kicks in, might be my single favorite Goldsmith piece.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2024 - 6:01 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

The Voyager theme is extremely good in itself, soaring and stately, but the TV show could have benefited from something that highlighted action, suspense, urgency. The ultimate "urgent action" series theme for me is Seven Days by Scott Gilman.

The main title to First Contact, before the mechanistic Borg cube music kicks in, might be my single favorite Goldsmith piece.


I love both themes, but I’ve stated on this board many times the FIRST CONTACT theme is my favorite Goldsmith composition.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2024 - 2:21 AM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

Janeway was a blind Mrs. Columbo squirrel who found a nut once in a while.

Let's not forget what a horrible person she really was. She took Voyager into a suspicious nebula so they could get power from it ("There's coffee in that nebula", LOL).

When Ensign Kim was killed by being blown out into space, so let the alternate reality Kim take over and man -- I don't recall a tear or a funeral.

More than once she let enemies take positions of power on the ship, which lead to disastrously consequences.

She made a deal with the Devil -- the Borg -- so she could get the crew home faster, resulting in the billions of lives lost on other world's taken as a result of her actions, by the Borg. Screw you, innocent business-minding space aliens!

She spent more time experimenting with new hairdos than minding her crew.



TUVIX!

The Voyager title sequence was easily the best part of the majority of episodes, which I found to be a real chore to sit through as it aired.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2024 - 3:34 AM   
 By:   Mark malmstrom   (Member)

ACTUALLY, Rosenmann's Star Trek IV theme do sound like a TV-series opening

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2024 - 4:07 AM   
 By:   CrazyQuark   (Member)

Agreed. I found the optimism to be missing even from the Giacchino music in 2009, which was kind of more about the action and adrenaline of JJ's take on the universe... not about the stately nobility of the mission, which is what all the other scores seemed to be scoring. That's one of the big reasons the MG scores (and the themes for the Paramount+ shows) haven't really worked for me.

I agree, except perhaps for the theme (and overall scoring) for Lower Decks.
As far as the new shows are concerned, I think the overall feel of the music in LD comes closest to what Star Trek "should" sound like.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2024 - 6:05 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Agreed. I found the optimism to be missing even from the Giacchino music in 2009, which was kind of more about the action and adrenaline of JJ's take on the universe... not about the stately nobility of the mission, which is what all the other scores seemed to be scoring. That's one of the big reasons the MG scores (and the themes for the Paramount+ shows) haven't really worked for me.


I hadn't thought about that. I thought the Voyager theme wasn't exciting enough, but maybe an intense action theme would need a mid-section, a bridge, that would let you have both. The main part could be an urgent action theme, and then the bridge is emotional and uplifting, and then you hit the action motif again to wrap it up.

An example of this main title style would be Space: 1999 Year 1. The action music diverts into an emotional bridge (Barry Morse on screen), and then back to action for the finish.

 
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