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 Posted:   Jan 7, 2025 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   obi   (Member)

A comment on Discogs by user ".NightHawk." asserts the following:

" "Poker D'Assi" (Track 2) off the stereo soundtrack is a modern day digital re-recording. :/ Was that really necessary?"

He/she doesn't provide any source to back this claim up.
Does anyone here have any insight about this?

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2025 - 9:13 PM   
 By:   Andy C   (Member)

A comment on Discogs by user ".NightHawk." asserts the following:

" "Poker D'Assi" (Track 2) off the stereo soundtrack is a modern day digital re-recording. :/ Was that really necessary?"

He/she doesn't provide any source to back this claim up.
Does anyone here have any insight about this?


Both Chris Rimmer and mikael488 have commented on that track in this thread in the past few days. It seems it's a previously unheard/unreleased version. It certainly doesn't match any other version of the soundtrack I own; neither does it appear to have come from one of the re-recorded scores or Morricone/Dollars tribute compilations on Spotify or the few unmentionables I've come across.

Beat Records have been in this business for some time and if they'd used, sourced or produced a "modern day digital re-recording" for this release as that Discogs user asserts, I'm sure they'd have indicated as such. To the contrary, the copyright on the CD back cover for the first eight tracks is stated as 1965 EMI Music Publishing Italia SRL, under licence from Universal Music Publishing Ricordi SRL. I can't think they'd voluntarily pay royalties to Universal if they weren't using the licenced track.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   obi   (Member)

I can't think they'd voluntarily pay royalties to Universal if they weren't using the licenced track.

Agree, but it is weird that a version no one has ever heard before is included without any explanation. Even though they don't specifically state it anywhere in the CD booklet, I think everyone expected those first 8 tracks on the CD to be the previously released stereo versions, and they are, except that one track....

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Maybe beat are just sitting back twirling their 'taches.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   obi   (Member)

Maybe beat are just sitting back twirling their 'taches.

Ha-ha. Some people just want to watch the world burn...

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   Andy C   (Member)

Ha-ha. Some people just want to watch the world burn...

big grin big grin big grin

There is another possible explanation because - as you said in your earlier post - it's odd to find this one track no-one's ever heard before: maybe it is a modern recording; it could be a temp track they were using when laying out and planning the album and they forgot to replace it with the real one. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 11:51 PM   
 By:   obi   (Member)

it could be a temp track they were using when laying out and planning the album and they forgot to replace it with the real one. big grin

Yeah, the explanation could be something like that.
Anyway, I don’t think it’s a big problem. It’s a source music cue that I’m not too fond of myself; in fact I often skip it when listening to the score.
And for those that love it there’s the full 2:30 minutes film version included on track 10.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 2:42 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

So (edit) Daniel Winkler - one of the best italian soundtrack engineers in the world - pointlessly inserted a slightly longer cover version on a Morricone CD and then accidentally left it in ? Lol.
Jokes such as that are dangerous because there are idiots out there who repeat such things.

Ennio was forever providing different length versions of stuff for Leone to use, depending on how they edited the scene, so chances are it was just a different version on the tape.

(My mistake, Edited but same thought applies)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 2:55 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Also covers of his stuff rarley hits the spot.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 2:56 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

So Chris Malone - one of the best musical engineers in the world - pointlessly inserted a slightly longer cover version on a Morricone CD and then accidentally left it in ? Lol.
Jokes such as that are dangerous because there are idiots out there who repeat such things.

Ennio was forever providing different length versions of stuff for Leone to use, depending on how they edited the scene, so chances are it was just a different version on the tape.


I didnt think Chris Malone had anything to do with this release.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 3:32 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

I am also a bit confused by this thread and the English titles. Where does that come from, aren't the titles in Italian on the release? Maybe it is just me, but I prefer to have one title for one track rather than dozen alternative titles.

Poker d'Assi does sound like a post-1970 recording I am afraid. I have nothing to back this claim, just the way it sounds. I am indeed surprised they would tag such track along.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 3:45 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)


I didnt think Chris Malone had anything to do with this release.


My mistake, Chris, i meant Daniel Winkler.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 3:54 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Wasn't a version of the poker track also used in Death Rides a Horse?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 4:04 AM   
 By:   Leo Nicols   (Member)

Also covers of his stuff rarley hits the spot.

Damian, I totally agree, most of the covers seem to lack the "Morricone Magic" ?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 4:15 AM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

So that Poker d'assi track would be a re-recording done several years after the original sessions ? Howcome ? I must say I don't get it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 4:31 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

Wasn't a version of the poker track also used in Death Rides a Horse?

Yes
There was another version played in Winged Devils

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 5:53 AM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

This re-recording by I Solisti Orchestre del Cinema Italiano sounds pretty close to the one the FAFDM CD, doesn't it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=727u-awqx0s&list=PLkISbFwev9yjgn7WONbi2JTyvLJxFE0jo&index=40

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   Big Jim T Wilson   (Member)

That's all piano, whereas the one in question and the original has what sounds like Harpsichord, or something of that ilk in there too. I wonder if it was a tack piano.

EDIT... having just taken a listen again to the alt version, the original was definitely a tack piano. Where the hammers have thumb tacks/pins in them to give an interesting sound when they hit the strings.

The more I listen, the more I think this other one is a re-recording, and it's just not a great sound they've gone with. I guess there weren't that many harpsichords in bars in the old west big grin

 
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