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 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

So lots of original scores have been rerecorded for a more proper listening experience by the composer.Which ones are most different from the original recordings....
Like eg. Schifrin's BULLITT


 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

There are so many, especially from the sixties. Here are five:

The two Flint scores were perfectly re-recorded for albums, highlighting key moments and eliminating silly cartoonish affects.

Also from Goldsmith, the Sebastian LP, while brief, was ingeniously assembled: While not a re-recording, Goldsmith took bits from different cues and created seamless tracks.

John Barry's The Knack--each track is a marvel and recorded in glorious CTS sound. It would be wonderful to get the film tracks someday as an alternative presentation of the music.

Also, of the five Barry tracks on Midnight Cowboy, four were recorded for the album in England, resulting in one of JB's greatest and strangest releases--strange in that all five tracks are separate themes.

Since the purpose of the re-recording is to take film cues and re-do them for a stand-alone listening experience, thereby elevating the music's commercial potential, isn't it ironic that some of the best-selling soundtrack albums of the sixties--From Russia with Love, Goldfinger, Thunderball, You Only Live Twice, and OHMSS, were primarily the score cues. This says a lot--not only regarding Barry's commercial and dramatic instincts--but also about the recording studio--CTS Bayswater--and the engineers.

 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Which ones are most different from the original recordings....


That's a good question actually. Of course, a lot of classic Henry Mancini albums were far removed from the music he wrote for the movies.

I think John Williams' ROSEWOOD is very different. Not really a re-recording, but still two very different albums. The original soundtrack album was excellent, with a lot of focus on the spirituals and choral music, very different in tone than the film score, which is more dramatic and darker. The La-La Land edition of both is really worth having; it's two different John Williams albums.

 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

JAWS

Notable changes including on the re-recording release extending the main theme, utilizing part of another track, and then allowing it to comes to a natural end.

Or the chase cues being more cohesive and driving than the film versions.

And extending the "Tourist on the Menu" cue to almost twice the length and making some changes to it. But both the re-recording and film recording have their merits.

And the "Hand to Hand Combat" cue has a better ending than the film recording.

 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Here is a (perhaps imperfect) list of the Goldsmith scores that got unique album vs. film recordings:
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=106347

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   lostinscores   (Member)

E.T. - I love the original score and was so happy when this was finally released as opposed to the 1982 album.
Plus there are many more!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I recommend this classic thread on the topic:

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=11030&forumID=1&archive=1

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

You read my mind. cool

 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

The entire "Side B" program of Chariots of Fire was a suite based on the film's themes, but created expressly for the album.

Even some of the cues heard in the film were significantly re-worked for the album. "Titles" was heavily remixed -- and even slowed-down (lowering the pitch).

As a young, naive budding soundtrack collector, I was baffled by the soundtrack album for Alien, since probably half the music on the disc was not heard in the film (and vice-versa). I kept wondering "Why is the main title completely different? Why is the end title completely different? Why is 'The Shaft' completely different?"

And when I saw the credit "Orchestrations by Arthur Morton" I assumed he was some guy who was hired to re-work the music for the album!

 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

The entire "Side B" program of Chariots of Fire was a suite based on the film's themes, but created expressly for the album.

I played that one up and down as a teen when my then girlfriend broke up with me. (Funny thing, many years later she contacted me and we spent a nice afternoon together together (totally platonic, we had other relationships at the time), and we went into a café... And there, in the background, played Chariots of Fire (the famous main theme though, not the ""Side B" program... Which I love).)
I love it when real life is sometimes like the movies.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 6:27 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I got the audiocassette immediately after seeing the film and would put it on to soothe the creative spirits after going to bed so I could fall asleep at a decent hour. It helped ease the night owl syndrome, yes.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 9:38 PM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Well...90% of the ones mentioned are pretty close to the score I think...I was asking about major differences.In case of BULLITT..its like you are listening to another score almost.ET...JAWS etc...well..I wouldnt consider different.

 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 9:55 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

The Album version is basically what the composer intends for the listener to re-experience the movie presentation as his own representation. Appropriate deletions and in case of being a totally new rerecording is probably his way of perfecting the material in a more listenable form. Its his discretion entirely as it his creation and I will always repect that even though I will still say that a few more cues would have made that perfect etc.. Also the cost of the production and the number of minutes assigned all contribute to the production.

As a fan and collector we obviously want everything. But we had been over the years (since) we started listening and revisiting the films realized to our disappointment how much more that music existed and those essential cues we liked were NOT present on their album. Thus when expansions actually started coming out in slight or complete editions we were of course delighted and welcomed everything. It was amazing like a dream come true.

Over the years, I actually realized while we have a myriad of options to chose from an expanded release. Some of those are essentials depending on our affections but at times we just want to sift through specific cues to form our own prefered programing. We would most likely not go through the expansion as avidly in one go unless its a dear favourite and mind you we have tons of expansions to chose from and its not easy anymore.

thus its only now I feel that an OST album whether its the selections the composer intended or the rerecording he made are an integral part of that eras nostalgia and rightfully an easier access when confronted by a vast collection of Expanded releases. In current times I may not have the luxury of spending 2 to 3 hours on a 3CD presentation at the start. Plus the fact the original program had been so burned in my mind that new expanded program can be jarring sometimes. they require concentration and going back and forth over various alternates and rejected cues etc. But the OST album always comes to the rescue and becomes like an old friend revisiting along with the flood of memories in terms of its long old affiliation. I know how crazy this sounds now. I know Im sounding like our friend Thor but I'am not rejecting the expansion either. Just appreciating both relatively. Thats why I feel I prefer having both the OST and expanded programs side by side.

In recent years expansions have been mounted together with the OST remaster which is always great delight to have. When I got THE EIGER SANCTION for the first time I prefered to listen to the original album presentation first to be swept away by the album experience first and the result was very rewarding. The Expansion was a totally different experience. So its like best of both worlds for me. The added remastering/ polishing is just another reward specifically if you are already nostalgic about it. It sounds great and adds to experience.

So when the next Goldsmith reissue comes say eg. INNERPACE or EXPLORERS I'd love to see their original presentation formats as well. I enjoyed GREMLINS in the same way. Same goes for the remastered SUPERMAN on disc 3 and WAR OF THE WORLDS' superior remastering of the OST album on the set.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2024 - 1:22 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

The Album version is basically what the composer intends for the listener to re-experience the movie presentation as his own representation. Appropriate deletions and in case of being a totally new rerecording is probably his way of perfecting the material in a more listenable form. Its his discretion entirely as it his creation and I will always repect that even though I will still say that a few more cues would have made that perfect etc.. Also the cost of the production and the number of minutes assigned all contribute to the production.

As a fan and collector we obviously want everything. But we had been over the years (since) we started listening and revisiting the films realized to our disappointment how much more that music existed and those essential cues we liked were NOT present on their album. Thus when expansions actually started coming out in slight or complete editions we were of course delighted and welcomed everything. It was amazing like a dream come true.

Over the years, I actually realized while we have a myriad of options to chose from an expanded release. Some of those are essentials depending on our affections but at times we just want to sift through specific cues to form our own prefered programing. We would most likely not go through the expansion as avidly in one go unless its a dear favourite and mind you we have tons of expansions to chose from and its not easy anymore.

thus its only now I feel that an OST album whether its the selections the composer intended or the rerecording he made are an integral part of that eras nostalgia and rightfully an easier access when confronted by a vast collection of Expanded releases. In current times I may not have the luxury of spending 2 to 3 hours on a 3CD presentation at the start. Plus the fact the original program had been so burned in my mind that new expanded program can be jarring sometimes. they require concentration and going back and forth over various laternates and rejected cues etc. But the OST album always comes to the rescue and becomes like an old friend revisiting along with the flood of memories in terms of its long old affiliation. I know how crazy this sounds now. I know Im sounding like our friend Thor but I'am not rejecting the expansion either. Just appreciating both relatively. Thats why I feel I prefer having both the OST and expanded programs side by side.

In recent years expansions have been mounted together with the OST remaster which is always great delight to have. When I got THE EIGER SANCTION for the first time I prefered to listen to the original album presentation first to be swept away by the album experience first and the result was very rewarding. The Expansion was a totally different experience. So its like best of both worlds for me. The added remastering/ polishing is just another reward specifically if you are already nostalgic about it. It sounds great and adds to experience.

So when the next Goldsmith reissue comes say eg. INNERPACE or EXPLORERS I'd love to see their original presentation formats as well. I enjoyed GREMLINS in the same way. Same goes for the remastered SUPERMAN on disc 3 and WAR OF THE WORLDS' superior remastering of the OST album on the set.


Big thumbs up from me Amer!!

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2024 - 2:39 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)


In recent years expansions have been mounted together with the OST remaster which is always great delight to have. When I got THE EIGER SANCTION for the first time I prefered to listen to the original album presentation first to be swept away by the album experience first and the result was very rewarding. The Expansion was a totally different experience. So its like best of both worlds for me.


There are quite a few expansions where the original album provides a unique and worthy listening experience, just as there are quite a few expansions that make the original album superfluous. I never returned to the original albums for STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE or ALIEN once expanded editions arrived, but I do still listen to the suite from BOYS FROM BRAZIL or the original album for E.T. - THE EXTRA TERRESTRIAL.
Having both is indeed the best of both worlds, as once can choose.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2024 - 2:48 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I didn't take this thread to be about OSTs versus expansions, but rather cases where the music has been re-recorded to such an extent that they sound far removed from the original tracks.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2024 - 3:34 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I didn't take this thread to be about OSTs versus expansions, but rather cases where the music has been re-recorded to such an extent that they sound far removed from the original tracks.

That was the original question, yes. Asking specifically for composer supervised re-recordings that sounded very different from the original tracks. As I said, I think a lot of Henry Mancini albums fit the bill, where on many albums the original, more classic dramatic score was nowhere to be found, instead replaced by easy-listening adaptations and source music.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2024 - 3:36 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Yes THOR thanks..and I cant really think of a lot.BULLITT being in my TopTen scores of all time smile is just really a different listening.And I love em both.

All the Goldsmiths ones like SEBASTIAN ,MASADA which I think was way better actually than the original score recording..much bigger in scope...are not that different.
So its not about expansions ...

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2024 - 3:41 AM   
 By:   Stovepipe46   (Member)

Got to get my input on this. For me the worst ever example of album release over original score was back in 1969 . I had just come out of the cinema after watching “True Grit” and was blown away by Elmer Bernstein score I rushed down to my usual record store before they closed and bought a copy of the album. I played it once and junked it. It was nothing like the wonderful music I had heard in the movie.
From that point onward I always made a point of listening to some excerpts before buying. I couldn’t believe that Elmer had put his name to such garbage. I went off of him for quite some time.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2024 - 4:24 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Yes THOR thanks..and I cant really think of a lot.BULLITT being in my TopTen scores of all time smile is just really a different listening.And I love em both.

Schifrin recorded BULLIT even three times. The original film score tracks and the original soundtrack album tracks, both of which were released on one CD on FSM. Then he recorded both album takes and film takes again for a new album in 2000 for his own Aleph label. I like all three BULLIT albums. :-)

 
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