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 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   Dan Roman   (Member)

I know that Stokowski was not a film composer but I am a huge classical music and film score fan. I've been on a Stokowski kick recently and I'm convinced he is one of the most formidable musical forces of the early to mid 20th century. I will use the excuse that he appeared in a few 1930's Hollywood films, and of course arranged and conducted Fantasia, to post these comments. Any classical music fans on this board? Thoughts on Stokowski and his influence? Were any of the Silver age Hollywood composers influenced or inspired by his recordings and work? He often produced a truly unique and refined sound that has rarely been equaled.

I've read that Fritz Reiner attributed the rise of Hi-Fi recordings to Leopold Stokowski. It would be interesting to consider how much of the past popularity of celebrity conductor recordings may have carried over to the marketing of soundtracks during the 1940s 50s and 60's considering similar characteristics of showmanship and orchestral grandeur.

 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Stokowski used multi-channel recording at Universal for 100 MEN AND A GIRL. He also performed Herrmann's THE DEVIL AND DANIEL WEBSTER with the New York Philharmonic in 1949.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   juhana   (Member)

Isn’t he the guy responsible for the seating arrangement where the violins are no longer split? I prefer the split arrangement, as in Otto Klemperer’s recordings.

His transcriptions of Bach and Wagner are quite nice.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

Stokowski was keenly interested in recording techniques. For a while he was a proponent of the Decca Phase 4 recordings, and conducted several performances for the label. One that was particularly popular among audiophiles was his recording of Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

The fact that he was not a composer did not stop David O. Selznick from proposing him as a candidate to score SPELLBOUND.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Isn’t he the guy responsible for the seating arrangement where the violins are no longer split?

There are numerous orchestral seating plans. Evidently, Stoki did favor the arrangement with all violins on the left. Today, this is not universal. Splitting the first and second violins has certain advantages for antiphonal effect.

What Stoki definitely mandated was more unconventional: He insisted on free bowing, as opposed to uniform bowing. In other words, each player could choose where to play with an up stroke or a down stroke. Ormandy returned to uniform bowing when he took over in Philadelphia. You rarely see free bowing today.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   MotoMan   (Member)

I do like some “Classical” music as I have some George Gershwin , Vaughan Williams, Sibelius. I also have Immortal Beloved and More Immortal Beloved soundtracks featuring the music of Ludwig Beethoven as well as Amadeus and More Amadeus Volume 2 featuring music of Mozart. I grew up with my father listening to lots of Classical music from Brahms, Beethoven, Chopin, Listz, Tchaikovsky etc.
As for Leopold Stowkoski I have one of his recordings which is Walt Disney’s Fantasia 2-Disc Set Remastered Original Soundtrack Edition from 1990 which was originally released in 1940 and it sounds like an older recording yet I still manage to really enjoy the listening experience.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   Dan Roman   (Member)

I do like some “Classical” music as I have some George Gershwin , Vaughan Williams, Sibelius. I also have Immortal Beloved and More Immortal Beloved soundtracks featuring the music of Ludwig Beethoven as well as Amadeus and More Amadeus Volume 2 featuring music of Mozart. I grew up with my father listening to lots of Classical music from Brahms, Beethoven, Chopin, Listz, Tchaikovsky etc.
As for Leopold Stowkoski I have one of his recordings which is Walt Disney’s Fantasia 2-Disc Set Remastered Original Soundtrack Edition from 1990 which was originally released in 1940 and it sounds like an older recording yet I still manage to really enjoy the listening experience.


Fantasia featuring Stokowski's famed Bach Toccato and Fugue transcription. A classic soundtrack. The CD I used to own was a bit frustrating due to the constant Left Right panning attributed to a process I believe referred to as spectral sound developed for the film in limited engagements.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 3:46 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

I do like some “Classical” music as I have some George Gershwin , Vaughan Williams, Sibelius. I also have Immortal Beloved and More Immortal Beloved soundtracks featuring the music of Ludwig Beethoven as well as Amadeus and More Amadeus Volume 2 featuring music of Mozart. I grew up with my father listening to lots of Classical music from Brahms, Beethoven, Chopin, Listz, Tchaikovsky etc.
As for Leopold Stowkoski I have one of his recordings which is Walt Disney’s Fantasia 2-Disc Set Remastered Original Soundtrack Edition from 1990 which was originally released in 1940 and it sounds like an older recording yet I still manage to really enjoy the listening experience.


Fantasia featuring Stokowski's famed Bach Toccato and Fugue transcription. A classic soundtrack. It's a bit hard to listen to today due to the constant Left Right panning attribute to a process I believe referred to as spectral sound developed for the film in limited engagements.


Yep, Fantasia was among, if not the, first to use such a sound system (dubbed Fantasound). It’s a shame that we’ll never quite be able to hear it as it was in 1940.

I’ve heard of his classical music recordings and some of them are very good. A particular favorite for is a Tchaikovsky album he did with the “New York Stadium Orchestra” which paired Francesca da Rimini with the Hamlet Fantasy Overture.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   Dan Roman   (Member)

I could have sworn, that at one time, I'd ran across an internet photograph of Stokowski and Tiomkin conversing at an event probably sometime during the 1960s. I believe that they were to have work together on a Hollywood project in the 1930s that was abandoned before it's initiation. The the photograph in question must have been a figment of my imagination.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2024 - 6:22 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

He was in the audience at Aeolian Hall for the premiere of George G's "Rhapsody in Blue."

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2024 - 2:45 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

When I decided to expand my limited library of classical/concert hall works, collections of his recordings were some of the earliest I purchased, buying 3 box sets (total 34 CDs) within approx. 6 wks in 2013. A few other recordings came later (e.g. a few of those Phase 4 ones mentioned earlier).

These recordings introduced me to a world of music which opened my ears and whilst some have taken time to be absorbed there are few with which I would dispense. e.g. his 1977 recording of Brahms' Tragic Overture (a particular favourite) pales against numerous others ... but his 1960 recording of Wagner's Tristan und Isolde: Love Music from Acts II & III is wonderful and became the inspiration for me to listen to Wagner.

Another superb work: Rachmaninov's 14 Romances, Op.34/14: Vocalise has numerous arrangements/performances ... wait until you hear his 1964 recording with Anna Moffo, soprano before deciding which you like most ... it's stunning!

I've read he was renown for meddling with scores, and I'm amused that his 1957 recording of Gliere's Symphony #3, Op.42 "Ilya Murometz" (Houston Symphony Orchestra) runs less than 39 minutes, whereas my other recording: Edward Downes/BBC Phil/1991 lasts more than 78 minutes smile

He orchestrated many of the works by JS Bach and these orchestrations are now performed/recorded by today's conductors/orchestras; he was also prominent in bringing new 20th Century music to the concert hall and he conducted the US premieres of several Shostakovich symphonies, amongst others.

I've also read he was very much a showman.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2024 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   ryankeaveney   (Member)

Not Stokowski entirely, but his recording of Rachmaninoff's "Prelude in C Sharp Major" always sounded to me like the inspiration for Chris Young's HELLRAISER.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2024 - 1:42 AM   
 By:   Amarok   (Member)

Yes I am a big Classical music lover and I have a few Stokowski recordings but I have a fair few more modern re-recordings of his transcriptions by other conductors which I really enjoy.

Stokowski's transcription repertoire lends itself to a wide dynamic range which with today's recordings make for exciting listening.

Labels such as Chandos and Naxos released a series of discs with almost identical track listings that are great fun.

I also enjoy other transcriptions particularly by Sir Henry Wood who also showed a very broad orchestral palette.

 
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