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 Posted:   Dec 25, 2024 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   Captain_Kaos   (Member)

Skyfall is utter dross from start to finish. The only redeeming features are the return of the leather door, and the title song. Every other aspect of its conception and production are abysmal in the extreme.

Plotless gibberish, dreadful cloth-eared script, terrible hammy performances all round, the cinematography is undeniably pretty, but then what exactly is it meant to be showing off? It's just misery porn. Even Scotland - magnificent, brooding Scotland - is shown at its dour, damp worst. It's a smug mash up of Home Alone and any generic B-movie action flick.

Awful, stinking film.


Besides the movie is incredibly boring (except the little fight of the DB5). Will never watch a Craig-Bond again.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2024 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   Sutkius Maximus   (Member)

Skyfall is utter dross from start to finish. The only redeeming features are the return of the leather door, and the title song. Every other aspect of its conception and production are abysmal in the extreme.

In addition to Adele's song, there's one scene I enjoy watching. It's the conversation scene between Bond and Severine at the casino. It captured Bond magic briefly for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2024 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   panavision   (Member)

Skyfall is utter dross from start to finish. The only redeeming features are the return of the leather door, and the title song. Every other aspect of its conception and production are abysmal in the extreme.

Plotless gibberish, dreadful cloth-eared script, terrible hammy performances all round, the cinematography is undeniably pretty, but then what exactly is it meant to be showing off? It's just misery porn. Even Scotland - magnificent, brooding Scotland - is shown at its dour, damp worst. It's a smug mash up of Home Alone and any generic B-movie action flick.

Awful, stinking film.


Interesting take.

I do agree that the story doesn't always work, and it was cribbing from Dark Knight, and it doesn't have enough of the Bond elements.

I love the song. Adele was perfect for it.

 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2024 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)


Conti provides FYEO with a lot of rock/disco spice that balances the spice with the sensual and elevates what's otherwise a paint-by-numbers spy triller that just goes from Point A to Point B to Point C (and so on).


I personally never liked Bill Conti's score -- dramatically-speaking. I am a big fan of his, and it is terrific music -- it's just in the wrong film. The action cues are along the lines of a television score from the 1970s (as is that kooky synth playing the Bond theme as they search for the wreckage).

I understand that Hamlisch likewise indulged 70s instrumental pop -- but that was in the 1970s, not 1981 (by which point styles had evolved passed that). Moreover, TSWLM is a much-more comical Bond movie, and such an approach was arguably more in line with the tone of that film. FYEO was an uncharacteristically serious Moore adventure -- hence the need for a more serious score (which it didn't get).

The moment Bond walks into Gogol in M's office in the temple and we find out Russia and Britain are teaming up, we're left to wonder why any of the first half of the movie with 007 and XXX engaged in petty squabble mattered.

It's always seemed to me that only after Bond and Anya were dispatched on their missions, did MI6 and KGB realize it was in their best interests to collaborate. The agents -- stuck on a dahabiya sailing down the Nile -- would not have gotten the message until showing up at the field HQ.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2024 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Sutkius Maximus   (Member)

Conti's FYEO score is easily the most entertaining Bond soundtrack out of non-Barry soundtracks. Always loved it, with or without the movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2024 - 7:49 PM   
 By:   c8   (Member)

It's always seemed to me that only after Bond and Anya were dispatched on their missions, did MI6 and KGB realize it was in their best interests to collaborate. The agents -- stuck on a dahabiya sailing down the Nile -- would not have gotten the message until showing up at the field HQ.

Well, yes, but in a two hour movie that means I wasted half of it for something that didn't in any way advance the plot. If Bond and XXX had to figure out how to work together as partners under duress (see: Tomorrow Never Dies) while Bond was under constant threat of Anya wanting to kill him for the rest of the movie, then the first half would have been far more worth it (if still poorly paced). Instead, Anya becomes a damsel in distress who largely disappears from the second half and leaves a huge disconnect from the first half to the second.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2024 - 4:50 PM   
 By:   Reeve   (Member)

The Spy Who Loved Me (1977) Retrospective / Review

Link: — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKCd8LLcVls

The music score section is featured between: - 20:40 — 23:15.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2024 - 12:48 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)


Conti provides FYEO with a lot of rock/disco spice that balances the spice with the sensual and elevates what's otherwise a paint-by-numbers spy triller that just goes from Point A to Point B to Point C (and so on).


I personally never liked Bill Conti's score -- dramatically-speaking. I am a big fan of his, and it is terrific music -- it's just in the wrong film. The action cues are along the lines of a television score from the 1970s (as is that kooky synth playing the Bond theme as they search for the wreckage).

I understand that Hamlisch likewise indulged 70s instrumental pop -- but that was in the 1970s, not 1981 (by which point styles had evolved passed that). Moreover, TSWLM is a much-more comical Bond movie, and such an approach was arguably more in line with the tone of that film. FYEO was an uncharacteristically serious Moore adventure -- hence the need for a more serious score (which it didn't get).

The moment Bond walks into Gogol in M's office in the temple and we find out Russia and Britain are teaming up, we're left to wonder why any of the first half of the movie with 007 and XXX engaged in petty squabble mattered.

It's always seemed to me that only after Bond and Anya were dispatched on their missions, did MI6 and KGB realize it was in their best interests to collaborate. The agents -- stuck on a dahabiya sailing down the Nile -- would not have gotten the message until showing up at the field HQ.


Exactly. And easy to comprehend, really.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2024 - 12:52 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Conti's FYEO score is easily the most entertaining Bond soundtrack out of non-Barry soundtracks. Always loved it, with or without the movie.

Love it, too, although as a non-Barry score Live and let die is my preference.

But FYEO fits perfectly with the film because it is serious and fun when it needs to be. And it has one of the greatest Bond songs, with the melody working beautifully as a theme for the score.

 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2025 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Bus-Punk   (Member)

Really hoping there isn’t too much longer to wait for a full release of this score. Just listening to a Laserdisc rip of the film right now, just to hear the soundtrack. As others have said, a two disc release of film score and album re-recording would seem ideal.

A full version of the Pyramid scene would be amazing, and as a bonus track perhaps, one with the narration too. I find marriage of score and visuals in this sequence spine tingling. Love it!

 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2025 - 11:08 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Skyfall bad.

The Spy Who Loved Me good.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2025 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Really hoping there isn’t too much longer to wait for a full release of this score.

Judging from LLL's last last six Bond score revisits, all tied to quinquennial anniversaries, we likely have about two more years to wait (77 is in the title of this thread, after all), for the 50th anniversary. Whether you consider that "too much longer" or not is relative, I guess.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2025 - 7:55 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Judging from LLL's last last six Bond score revisits, all tied to quinquennial anniversaries, we likely have about two more years to wait (77 is in the title of this thread, after all), for the 50th anniversary. Whether you consider that "too much longer" or not is relative, I guess.

Yavar



I question the wisdom of waiting 50 years just to put a nice round number on it. Surely there are fans who wanted this but have already died of natural causes. We aren't getting any younger.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2025 - 8:43 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Who said anything about “wisdom”? It’s pure marketing, and I’m still grateful for it because it brought us the last six new anniversary Bond editions from La-La Land. You know that it was the rights holders who approached LLL to see if they were interested to expand Octopussy and LaLD specifically in celebration of their anniversaries, right? It’s not as if it’s LLL’s preference to wait to do these; they know that Bond expansions sell like hotcakes.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2025 - 11:44 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

We don't know for a fact that the anniversary year thing is an immutable rule. For all we know, it may just have been a way of creating pitch sizzle to motivate more releases after Eon themselves decided to do Octopussy, Live and Let Die, and Goldfinger; or a way of sorting out which ones to do first.

Be mindful of what we know versus what we're assuming.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2025 - 3:15 AM   
 By:   AndrewH   (Member)

For those interested, there was an Open University course in the UK in the 1970's that covered the making of The Spy Who Loved Me.

This was on TV about 6am to 7am and buried in the TV listings small print so we really had to search for it, and then get up early to watch it -no widespread VCR's in those days!

Anyway part of the programme covered the soundtrack with Marvin Hamlisch.

You'll have to forgive the dull voiceover. They can make anything sound incredibly boring -even James Bond. Those in the UK familiar with Open University at the time will know what I mean.

https://youtu.be/4eZ6YOZHMPs?t=8875

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2025 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I remember watching that back in the day. It would have made a nice extra on a home video release.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2025 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   Bond Scores   (Member)

I've been wondering recently if there's a significant amount of music from this score that's never seen the light of day.

We've always attributed the short cues to Marvin Hamlisch, thinking that's how he wrote them, but what if they were truncated in the edit?

We know that Lewis Gilbert often shortened cues, re-edited them or omitted them entirely (look at the 2003 release of You Only Live Twice and the recent LLLR of Moonraker). It's entirely plausible that it was a similar story for TSWLM...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2025 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   ChuckNoland   (Member)

Hoping the "Round number release year" theory is wrong, especially since they just put out License to Kill, which was a nice 36 year anniversary.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2025 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   seinmind   (Member)

Hoping the "Round number release year" theory is wrong, especially since they just put out License to Kill, which was a nice 36 year anniversary.

Licence To Kill was planned (and prepared) for Black Friday 2024 and pushed by LLL into early 2025 (I think because they had many other albums to celebrate). How things changed with Brocolli and Wilson relinquishing complete control to Amazon will be seen and we will never know the conditions of the agreement. EON may still have a hand/say in which products are approved and released.

 
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