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The album has tracks not found in the film. The film has tracks not found on the album.
Thanks for all of the above Stephen! Would you be willing/able to outline an ideal complete-as-possible program with all of the unique cues from either film or album, plus the best versions of cues which appear on both?
The sound of the film tracks is definitely archival not audiophile, but I'm amazed at what Chris Malone has done. You would have to listen very closely to detect it was an M&E track. Without listening closely you'd assume it was a mono pure music track.
I'm going to guess that this is the release he was talking about tackling from an M&E source, on our recent Islands in the Stream Spotlight (https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/episodes/16771969-odyssey-soundtrack-spotlight-islands-in-the-stream-1977-and-doug-fake-memorial-with-the-intrada-team-and-chris-malone) -- I can't wait to hear how it turned out, especially knowing you're so impressed by it.
It is well worth it.
I'd love things like The Chase and Born Free to get similar treatments in the future.
That would be great! On the Goldsmith side of things, I wonder what he might be able to do with the M&E of Lilies of the Field, or even Under Fire, to rescue more of those scores for album. Or heck maybe he could salvage some (probably not all) of the complete original film recording of Hour of the Gun, which is totally unreleased except for the M&E track on the Twilight Time Blu-ray.
Yavar
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Mar 28, 2025 - 10:42 AM
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I've just had a listen & I'm more than happy with it. The album sounds great (well it always has done) & Chris Malone has done an amazing job with the film tracks, mono, but he's opened them out nicely, & I love the two extra tracks. It's great that after all this time (60 years!) that they could find extra tracks & that the M&E track was still extant for this little b/w film.
I did see the film at the cinema & loved it, I have it on Blu-ray as part of the 9 film Woodfall Films set from BFI, but I don't think I'll watch it again...& I grew up only a bus ride away from Bayswater recording studios, my all-time favourite cinema was only down the road from there.
Richard Lester is still with us (93 years old), someone should send him a copy...actually I've just checked the IMDB & the three leads are still alive: Michael Crawford, Rita Tushingham & Ray Brooks (who's trendy name in the film, Tolen, never really caught on).
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I've just had a listen & I'm more than happy with it. The album sounds great (well it always has done) & Chris Malone has done an amazing job with the film tracks, mono, but he's opened them out nicely, & I love the two extra tracks. It's great that after all this time (60 years!) that they could find extra tracks & that the M&E track was still extant for this little b/w film.
I did see the film at the cinema & loved it, I have it on Blu-ray as part of the 9 film Woodfall Films set from BFI, but I don't think I'll watch it again...& I grew up only a bus ride away from Bayswater recording studios, my all-time favourite cinema was only down the road from there.
Richard Lester is still with us (93 years old), someone should send him a copy...actually I've just checked the IMDB & the three leads are still alive: Michael Crawford, Rita Tushingham & Ray Brooks (who's trendy name in the film, Tolen, never really caught on).
Just saw Rita Tushingham in a TV series The Marlowe Murder Club from 2024.
Lester and Barry had a complicated working relationship.
They worked together on TV commercials prior to The Knack.
Lester hired him for The Knack. According to Barry, they had disagreements, though Barry said Lester came around.
Lester hired him again for Petulia and for Joseph Losey's Boom! (Lester supervised post-production).
For Robin and Marian, Barry was hired by the producer, replacing a Michel Legrand score. Lester hated Barry's score.
I haven't received my copy yet, so I don't know if there any Richard Lester quotes in the liner notes. That would be interesting.
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Mar 28, 2025 - 11:50 AM
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I've just had a listen & I'm more than happy with it. The album sounds great (well it always has done) & Chris Malone has done an amazing job with the film tracks, mono, but he's opened them out nicely, & I love the two extra tracks. It's great that after all this time (60 years!) that they could find extra tracks & that the M&E track was still extant for this little b/w film.
I did see the film at the cinema & loved it, I have it on Blu-ray as part of the 9 film Woodfall Films set from BFI, but I don't think I'll watch it again...& I grew up only a bus ride away from Bayswater recording studios, my all-time favourite cinema was only down the road from there.
Richard Lester is still with us (93 years old), someone should send him a copy...actually I've just checked the IMDB & the three leads are still alive: Michael Crawford, Rita Tushingham & Ray Brooks (who's trendy name in the film, Tolen, never really caught on).
Wasnt Tolen a Romulan name in ST TNG?
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Just received and played it.
The film tracks are a welcomed addition, and they sound better than I expected. It's interesting to hear the different takes from the album versions.
The album tracks have never sounded better. Great job, Chris Malone.
And what an album! Barry chose the best bits from the movie, re-recorded, adjusted here and there, and added a track that blended in.
Also, I wanted to mention that in interviews Barry said that both John Huston (regarding Sinful Davey) and Sam Spiegel (regarding The Chase) told Barry that they selected him because of The Knack. They were both impressed how the score held the picture together and that's what they wanted him to do for their films. Huston may also have thought that the light, contemporary approach to The Knack would be perfect for Sinful Davey, a period piece about a likeable rogue. But that's just speculation.
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Another possible reason why Barry recorded the album tracks presumably at the same time is this:
Barry had a good relationship with United Artists Records (The Knack came within a year of JB's #1 selling album Goldfinger) and wanted to record tracks specifically for the LP in the event that Lester took out cues from the film that would be owned by the film company. So, no matter what, Barry had a fully finished LP ready to go.
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