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 Posted:   Feb 13, 2014 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   regis.j.nowicki   (Member)

Don't forget to mention the contribution of Jerome Moross. In the third season a more traditional score was introduced. "Wagons Ho!" was written by Jerome Moross, who adapted it from a passage of music he had written for the 1959 film "The Jayhawkers". This theme would last through the series run and is the most remembered of the three "Wagon Train" themes.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2014 - 8:28 PM   
 By:   Broughtfan   (Member)

Interesting discussion of William's Wagon Train scores. For those interested, Me-TV just started running Wagon Train this last Saturday, replacing their Branded/ Gun's Of Will Sonnett block at 12 noon.

http://metvnetwork.com/programs.php?showID=89

Greg Espinoza


Finally saw "The Beauty Jamison Story," one of John Williams' first scores recorded after he became a staff composer under Stanley Wilson at Revue. Would be interested in knowing if this was JW's first score composed for network television. Also, did Williams score any segments of "Riverboat" or any of the other Revue-produced westerns such as "Tales of Wells Fargo or "Laramie?"

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2014 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Does anybody know of the episode of "Wagon Train" that was scored by Hugo Friedhofer? It came somewhere in the second season (Ernest Gold also scored one).

Hugo is not credited with any score in season two. All episode composers are accounted for that season, on IMDb, except one; that one episode, an old LP of music from the show has a cue credited to Stanley Wilson, suggesting he scored that episode ("Conchita Vasquez Story").

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2014 - 10:10 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Don't forget to mention the contribution of Jerome Moross. In the third season a more traditional score was introduced. "Wagons Ho!" was written by Jerome Moross, who adapted it from a passage of music he had written for the 1959 film "The Jayhawkers". This theme would last through the series run and is the most remembered of the three "Wagon Train" themes.



The vocal theme was by far the most popular with the kids at the time.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2014 - 2:38 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Interesting discussion of William's Wagon Train scores. For those interested, Me-TV just started running Wagon Train this last Saturday, replacing their Branded/ Gun's Of Will Sonnett block at 12 noon.

http://metvnetwork.com/programs.php?showID=89

Greg Espinoza


Finally saw "The Beauty Jamison Story," one of John Williams' first scores recorded after he became a staff composer under Stanley Wilson at Revue. Would be interested in knowing if this was JW's first score composed for network television. Also, did Williams score any segments of "Riverboat" or any of the other Revue-produced westerns such as "Tales of Wells Fargo or "Laramie?"


The first score Williams did for network TV was probably "The Trap" from M SQUAD, aired October 24, 1958 -- two months before "The Beauty Jamison Story". See this thread for more info about M SQUAD:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=99017&forumID=1&archive=0

I have read no report about Williams being associated with either RIVERBOAT or LARAMIE, but there ARE unsubstantiated reports that he did some work on TALES OF WELLS FARGO. However, I have yet to see a listing of how many, and which episodes we're talking about if that is the case. Maybe Jeff knows?

As for other Revue westerns he was associated with, there's WIDE COUNTRY (a modern-day take on the rodeo world). The pilot of this show was pulled from the ALCOA PREMIERE THEATER episode "Second Chance", so it's basically just a repeat. However, Williams may have rearranged his main theme from the ALCOA episode to work as the opening theme for the new show. Or someone else rearranged it, like Harry Sukman did for the shortlived television series of THE COWBOYS (1972).

Finally, his name sometimes pops up for THE VIRGINIAN, but in all likelihood he wrote nothing for that. It was probably just re-use of his thematic material from WAGON TRAIN (especially the very popular instrumental version of "Tomorrow" from "The Jenny Tannen Story", which appeared in several shows at the time).

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2014 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

He's not credited on any episode of "The Virginian" (that is it say, of course, excluding any possible uncredited work, since some composers were uncredited on the show).

Two episodes tracked music by him (at least). One a song (done with Stanley Wilson), and another a piece of music he did, which was played as a source cue on piano.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2014 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   judy the hutt   (Member)

speaking of Wagon Train, John Williams first wife Barbara Ruick (Carousel, Above and Beyond) had been married to Robert Horton who starred in that TV series. She divorced him and married Mr. Williams that same year (1956)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2014 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

He's not credited on any episode of "The Virginian" (that is it say, of course, excluding any possible uncredited work, since some composers were uncredited on the show).

Two episodes tracked music by him (at least). One a song (done with Stanley Wilson), and another a piece of music he did, which was played as a source cue on piano.


Yes, as I just said above, the song in question is the aforementioned "Tomorrow" from "The Jenny Tannen Story". "Golden West" from the same episode was also a song, originally, but doesn't appear in THE VIRGINIAN, as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong). The source cue you speak of could either be instrumental versions of these, or "Jumpin' Jack Rabbit" or any of the other cues he wrote for WAGON TRAIN that was not included on the LP.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2014 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

speaking of Wagon Train, John Williams first wife Barbara Ruick (Carousel, Above and Beyond) had been married to Robert Horton who starred in that TV series. She divorced him and married Mr. Williams that same year (1956)

Yes, I've always found this to be an interesting piece of trivia. I wonder what Williams thought when he scored that first episode of WAGON TRAIN starring his wife's ex-husband. Probably nothing at all.

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2014 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

Does anybody know of the episode of "Wagon Train" that was scored by Hugo Friedhofer? It came somewhere in the second season (Ernest Gold also scored one).

Friedhofer never scored an episode of Wagon Train. Here are the scoring credits for the second season (as they appear on screen):

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2014 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

there ARE unsubstantiated reports that he did some work on TALES OF WELLS FARGO. However, I have yet to see a listing of how many, and which episodes we're talking about if that is the case. Maybe Jeff knows?

I can substantiate that Williams scored at least three episodes of TALES OF WELLS FARGO.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2014 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

there ARE unsubstantiated reports that he did some work on TALES OF WELLS FARGO. However, I have yet to see a listing of how many, and which episodes we're talking about if that is the case. Maybe Jeff knows?

I can substantiate that Williams scored at least three episodes of TALES OF WELLS FARGO.


Wow, cool. That's the first time I've heard some sort of confirmation for this. Is there any chance you could point out which three?

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2014 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

Wow, cool. That's the first time I've heard some sort of confirmation for this.

Well...

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2014 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

Is there any chance you could point out which three?

One of them is "Dealer's Choice," originally broadcast May 2, 1960, and available as part of this 6-DVD set:

http://www.timelessvideo.com/dvds/wellsfargo.html

Here is Williams' screen credit from that episode:

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2014 - 2:48 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thanks, Jeff. That's a start! You're always so secretive about these things, which I guess is why you didn't mention the other two. Information is currency, I guess! wink

The series had 200 episodes over 6 seasons, according to Wikipedia, so the work is cut out for anyone who wants to dive in and find the Williamses. I'll do my best.

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2019 - 9:23 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Interesting discussion of William's Wagon Train scores. For those interested, Me-TV just started running Wagon Train this last Saturday, replacing their Branded/ Gun's Of Will Sonnett block at 12 noon.

http://metvnetwork.com/programs.php?showID=89

Greg Espinoza


I don't think it's available to non-US citizens. Let me know if they ever get to season 8!


Just caught the Swift Cloud episode. yeah, kind of nondescript for Williams.



Im still working through the early Ward Bond stories.

Greg Espinoza

How's that coming along?

 
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