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 Posted:   Jun 28, 2007 - 4:28 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I did a thread on this soundtrack a year ago or so, but the search engine can't find it. That sucks.

Anyways, it's a great disc that I play quite often. The suite idea is obviously something that appeals to me very much...I wish more soundtracks were presented this way. I've never had any problems whatsoever with the sound quality, however. Sounds perfectly fine to me.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 1:35 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

My press of the Varese has deeper bass than the Bay Cities.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

Brendan Carroll posted the following at the Korngold-society.org forums:


This project (with which I was involved peripherally) was a very brave undertaking by dear Tony Thomas, and by Carl Davis who is also a dear friend of mine. As I recall now (from the many transatlantic phone calls to me during the sessions) there were huge problems with the parts (most of the Irish battle was missing for example!) and so reconstruction took place during the actual sessions, with Mr Davis working through the night -using a video of the movie as a reference! I had many late night conversations with him about the instrumentation and he was 100% dedicated to making it as complete and authentic as possible. Ernst Korngold (who was alive then) particularly appreciated his conducting and told me how closely it resembled his father's!

Unlike the Morgan/Stromberg series, there was very little pre-recording preparation and it was a nightmare to do on a very small budget. In view of this, I think it turned out exceptionally well. Carl tried to reflect Korngold's tempi at all times and before each session would run the film sequences that were to be recorded on a TV monitor. If only he had been able to have a copy of the original optical tracks (that exist and are now on Tsunami, Membran and other labels).

As for the recording quality, I recall money was short so maybe the microphone set-up reflected that.

Anyway, I cannot post at the FSM Board as I am not a subscriber but anyone who is - feel free to cut & paste my comments to that thread.

And be glad that Mr Davis and Tony T made the effort so that we can at least hear the full score!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Buy,buy,buy!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Thanks for copying the Carroll post. You might be doing him a favor if you let him know that it doesn't cost any money to register at this Message Board, nor does one have to subscribe to the now-online-magazine. Or am I mistaken about that? Obviously, it's been a million years since I logged in myself, so maybe there's something I've forgotten.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 2:50 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)



Gee, he gives everyone credit except the people who REALLY made doing the recording possible - Bay Cities - despite the "small money" comments, it was a huge undertaking for us, and Tony and all Korngolds were most appreciative.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 5:12 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

That settles it! Don't let him post on this Board!

smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 7:32 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Tar and feather him and run him out of town on a rail or, at the very least, rail him out of town on a run.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 7:37 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Tar and feather him and run him out of town on a rail or, at the very least, rail him out of town on a run.

Considering the film score in question, perhaps the suitable sentence should be: "To the Tower!" Still, I wouldn't send anyone there who had a role in this recording! big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2007 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   estgrey   (Member)

I have long enjoyed this release -- in fact, I was playing it just a few weeks ago in anticipation of the new Sea Hawk. As has been noted, one might have quibbles here and there with the performance (and the sound is a bit on the harsh side). Still, it is clear that they really went for the spirit of the original as best they could, and the overall result is certainly pleasant to hear.

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2016 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I just listened to this CD again for the first time in many, many years. No reason I hadn't revisited it, I just hadn't. After all this time away, I found it thoroughly splendid throughout! A wonderful score, a terrific performance, and the sound is just fine. (The cover art -- I have the Bay Cities version -- is pretty terrible, but who cares?)

I haven't bought a new CD in several weeks -- I'm sure that's just temporary -- and it's a pleasure to spend that time revisiting discs like this, neglected for too long.

Good work, Young(er) Bruce!

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2016 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)

I just listened to this CD again for the first time in many, many years. No reason I hadn't revisited it, I just hadn't. After all this time away, I found it thoroughly splendid throughout! A wonderful score, a terrific performance, and the sound is just fine. (The cover art -- I have the Bay Cities version -- is pretty terrible, but who cares?)

I haven't bought a new CD in several weeks -- I'm sure that's just temporary -- and it's a pleasure to spend that time revisiting discs like this, neglected for too long.

Good work, Young(er) Bruce!


It is indeed a beautiful score, and a beautiful film. It was on TV here, only last week,

I haven’t seen it for years and thoroughly enjoyed it. With it’s sumptuous sets and costumes, rich technicolor and Korngold’s glorious score, it is a treat for both eye and ear.

Bette Davis is superb as Elizabeth and no one wore period costumes better than Flynn.



 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 2:09 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

This is one of my favourite Korngold scores, and as I said back in 2007 -- love the suite idea, and I have no issue with the sound quality.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 5:28 PM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

This is one of my favourite Korngold scores, and as I said back in 2007 -- love the suite idea, and I have no issue with the sound quality.

I was so impressed with the samples I picked this up. Looking forward to exploring this.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 8:35 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

What a funny old thread. BTW, I know this could be helped with a suitable remastering. Varese, on listening to their release, did nothing at all, not a single thing to the original Bay Cities mastering. The recording was digital and we're talking about digital before it was really perfected AND it's all live to two-track as I recall, with some editing. But the ears of James Nelson could probably do some pretty good magic on this for sure. If I still owned it I would do it, not that Varese probably has any idea it even exists.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 9:01 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Gateway Golden Age for me, thanks for the revisit....

The first four or five minutes were what won ME over!
Guess I understand my nickname 'Tin Ear' now...

I still treasure the Bay Cities, wouldnt part with it for the treacherous Varese release...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 9:02 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

I really like the score, but yes, there is some brittleness to some of the passages. Similar to the excellent Gerhardt Kings Row, in which the brass is unnaturally sharp at times. I'd like to hear a remastering of that too.

Varese could do a fine box set of remastered Korngold re-recordings – with Adventures of Robin Hood, The Sea Hawk, Kings Row and Elizabeth and Essex.
But to maintain the credibility of the set, they'd need to leave out their lamentable, ghastly recording of Anthony Adverse.

What is the story of how the Elizabeth and Essex release from Bay Cities became a Varese release? Can't Kritzerland get their hands on it to produce a limited remastered edition?

And lastly... when are we going to get the ORIGINALS of the Korngold scores, to add to the one release that FSM gave us? They've virtually all appeared as old unmentionables and I imagine they could receive a huge upgrading in sound quality these days.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 10:39 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

I'd love to get my hands on a remastered edition of these fine Golden Age Korngold recordings. I only have ROBIN HOOD (which I somehow enjoy more than the expansive Marco Polo recording) I have been eyeing both ESSEX & KINGS ROW for quite sometime. A new remaster of these recordings or even a Box Set would be a blessing.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2019 - 11:25 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

I only have ROBIN HOOD (which I somehow enjoy more than the expansive Marco Polo recording)


I rate the Kojian/Utah "The Sea Hawk" as the best of them, even better than their fine Robin Hood.

 
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