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 Posted:   Apr 16, 2001 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   WesllDeckers   (Member)

After I saw "Extreme Prejudice" I decided not to chase down the album as soon as possible, because I found the music... well, not good (as was the movie).
Now that I have about everything that has been released from Goldsmith, I got the album finally.
And I have to say that I was wrong. Originally I rated the score a 2 on a scale of 5, but now I rate it 4.
I love his experimental electronic stuff from the 80s as a counterpoint to the late 70s writing.
Some elements came from Under Fire, other would return in Med. Man in '92. And there is a downwards-then-upwards glissandi effect that became a major motif in '95 Congo.

Who agrees on my rating?
Or disagrees?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2001 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   OHMSS76   (Member)

This is a funny score, but I agree Wes, I give it a 4-5 also.

I flinched when I first heard it 6 years ago....but kept at it, knowing that repeated listens would help this score to appeal.

Eventually the anarchronistic mix of Euro synth pop that kaiju-oyabun http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/biggrin.gif"> loves so well, and rough and tumble orchestra make for a wonderful mix.

Try driving VERY fast to the 9min. 'The Plan' cue....the score sounds like Under Capricorn One Fire 100 Rifles http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/biggrin.gif">

All the best,
Sean

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2001 - 11:48 PM   
 By:   H. Rocco   (Member)

I'd give this one a 5 easily ... it's even in my top 10 favorite Goldsmith scores. And I DIDN'T like it very much at first, but repeated listening brought out truly amazing depths and textures. My take on the movie's quality has improved over time as well. (It probably didn't help that I first saw it at a Florida drive-in with dreadful picture and worse sound.)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2001 - 12:45 AM   
 By:   Bill R. Myers   (Member)

Very nice, taut score. The climax of The Plan has a red hot, searing nihilism that's as exciting as anything he has written. The mixture of electronic and orchestral elements is particularly adroit; listen to how the special forces team is identified with recurring colors, like the millitaristic trumpet pulses and the looped electronic buzzing. The first half of The Funeral seems almost like a Morricone homage (compare Goldsmith's effect to the coyote wailing from The Good, the Bad and the Ugly).


NP: Psycho II (Goldsmith)
[This message has been edited by Bill R. Myers (edited 16 April 2001).]

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2001 - 2:27 AM   
 By:   André Lux   (Member)


Indeed this is a great score. But I didn't like it first time also. It took some time to grow on me, but now I just love it.
THE PLAN being my favourite track - by far one of the most action drive cues I've ever heard, shamelessly removed from the movie and replaced by a synth drone travesty of the original cue!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2001 - 3:36 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

Agreed!, This one seems to be one of Mr.G's underestimated efforts, I too, would give this a 4/5 http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/smile.gif">

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2001 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   thinredline98   (Member)

A truely excellent score by the maestro...I saw the film one night on TV and I really enjoyed it and I loved the score so the next day I called up J&R Music World down near City Hall to see if they had it and quickly went down there to snatch it up. And I haven't regretted it once, a perfect score. I would love to hear the music that was in the film as well which was also killer.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2001 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   WesllDeckers   (Member)

Indeed The Plan is an excellent cue, but how about A Deal, that closes the album. It's almost march-like and maybe not as powerfull as the final cue on the Under Fire album (which is has some similarities to), but it reaches a high emotional level.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2021 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Opinions about EXTREME PREJUDICE from days long gone by. This years marks the 20th anniversary of this "Extreme Prejudice" thread, and since the score just got a new release, I couldn't resist to resurrect it.

In any case, I always enjoyed this score from the beginning, when I got the original LP in 1987. I saw the movie probably a couple of years later and enjoyed that too. I still remember when I first put the needle on the groove (I had a Technics turntable and amplifier back then) and "Arrivals" started to sound out of my speakers (at the time Canon), it was love at first hearing. I know this score is not everyone's cup of tea, but to me it's up there with the canon of Goldsmith's other great western scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2021 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

Opinions about EXTREME PREJUDICE from days long gone by. This years marks the 20th anniversary of this "Extreme Prejudice" thread, and since the score just got a new release, I couldn't resist to resurrect it.

In any case, I always enjoyed this score from the beginning, when I got the original LP in 1987. I saw the movie probably a couple of years later and enjoyed that too. I still remember when I first put the needle on the groove (I had a Technics turntable and amplifier back then) and "Arrivals" started to sound out of my speakers (at the time Canon), it was love at first hearing. I know this score is not everyone's cup of tea, but to me it's up there with the canon of Goldsmith's other great western scores.


20 years, damn...wonder how many of these posters are still alive

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2021 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

Only people with very good taste here!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2021 - 7:25 AM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

20 years, damn...wonder how many of these posters are still alive

And if they are, whether they have re-evaluated the score?

I haven’t - hated it then, hate it now. The Plan notwithstanding, as that’s a great cue, I just find it boring and monotonous

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2021 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

20 years, damn...wonder how many of these posters are still alive

And if they are, whether they have re-evaluated the score?

I haven’t - hated it then, hate it now. The Plan notwithstanding, as that’s a great cue, I just find it boring and monotonous


It has happened to me that I re-evaluated music which I didn't like before and came to appreciate it. I don't think it has ever happened to me that I re-evaluate a piece of music which I like to then don't like it anymore.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2021 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

Some of the MIDI work is arguably "noisy" -- it is certainly Goldsmith's most heavily synthesized otherwise-orchestral score -- but I give it points for having a high degree of melodic and harmonic inspiration, and some impressively complex writing.

For me, the soulful, elegiac moments of Extreme Prejudice remind me more of First Blood than the actual Rambo sequel scores do.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2021 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)


It has happened to me that I re-evaluated music which I didn't like before and came to appreciate it. I don't think it has ever happened to me that I re-evaluate a piece of music which I like to then don't like it anymore.


I have, Under Fire. Loved it initially but over the years I’ve come to regard it as quite dull.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2021 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)


It has happened to me that I re-evaluated music which I didn't like before and came to appreciate it. I don't think it has ever happened to me that I re-evaluate a piece of music which I like to then don't like it anymore.


I have, Under Fire. Loved it initially but over the years I’ve come to regard it as quite dull.



Move along, nothing to see here smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2021 - 6:14 PM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

I have, Under Fire. Loved it initially but over the years I’ve come to regard it as quite dull.



We sympathize, friend.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2021 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

I have, Under Fire. Loved it initially but over the years I’ve come to regard it as quite dull.



We sympathize, friend.


Oh, I’m so sorry I have a personal opinion that differs from yours.

You will note I specifically said “I have come to regard it as quite dull”. I didn’t say it was a bad score, I simply expressed a personal view which I stand by. I also didn’t say that people who liked the score are morons, although I may have to revisit that in certain quarters.

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2021 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

You will note I specifically said “I have come to regard it as quite dull”. I didn’t say it was a bad score, I simply expressed a personal view which I stand by. I also didn’t say that people who liked the score are morons, although I may have to revisit that in certain quarters.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2021 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

You will note I specifically said “I have come to regard it as quite dull”. I didn’t say it was a bad score, I simply expressed a personal view which I stand by. I also didn’t say that people who liked the score are morons, although I may have to revisit that in certain quarters.



Have you ever tried to come up with a response that isn’t a Monty Python gif created by someone else?

 
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