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	Posted:	Oct 12, 2020 - 11:54 AM
	By:	Jim Phelps (Member)

Lou Brock, Bob Gibson, Al Kaline, Bob Watson, Tom Seaver, Whitey Ford, Ron Perranoski, and Joe Morgan all died this year. Hank Steinbrenner...

We even lost Biff Pocoroba, one of the all-time great baseball names.

An awful year and an awful year for baseball, too.


	Posted:	Oct 12, 2020 - 5:34 PM
	By:	Eric Paddon (Member)

I haven't made any updates to this thread, for so many years my favorite at FSM for a simple and sad reason. This past summer I made a painful but ultimately necessary decision on my part after 44 years to divorce myself forever from the current game of baseball. The reasons for why I came to this decision which would have once been unthinkable given how much baseball has been part of my life since age 7 and the 1976 season, are ones that I shouldn't go into. Suffice to say, the decision is permanent.

My love for what baseball meant to me will never go away. I have my memories of living through 11 pennants and 7 championships and I have an extensive library of great baseball history books and thousands and thousands of vintage baseball telecasts and radio broadcasts that give me a baseball fix when I need it. Recently, through the miracle of e-bay, I came into possession of a reel to reel tape that had audio of a 22 inning Yankees game from June 1962 that ended in the 22nd when an obscure outfielder named Jack Reed hit the only HR of his major league career. *That* is baseball as it was, and when it was special. What exists today is not special but a cheap echo of what once was, and I for one decided I wasn't going to invest any more of my time or my money or my emotional well-being to the current game. Unless baseball makes some major amends, I'm not coming back.

The passing of so many legends in recent months including Joe Morgan and Whitey Ford is a reminder of what legends truly were, and how the age of them is now gone. I prefer to lose myself in the time when they defined the game then bother with what passes for it today.


	Posted:	Oct 13, 2020 - 10:13 AM
	By:	Jim Phelps (Member)

This past summer I made a painful but ultimately necessary decision on my part after 44 years to divorce myself forever from the current game of baseball.

You had me worried there.

I don't blame you or anyone else for walking away from what the game has become--I haven't cared about it for years, sadly. I hope that whatever reason(s) you have for doing so is because of the game and not because of anything of a personal or familial nature.


	Posted:	Oct 13, 2020 - 2:06 PM
	By:	Eric Paddon (Member)

It's only personal in the sense that if I so much as tried to maintain any level of interest, it would not be personally beneficial to my well-being. Just as my decisions to sever myself from all other professional sports before I made the baseball decision were for the same reason.

It hurt to do it, because the game in its beauty is something you feel a connecting bond with and when I made the decision it felt like getting a divorce after decades of marriage. But I've gotten over it. For some time I wanted to experience just one more Yankee championship and then walk away because 2017 was a special year and a special group that I felt was capable of becoming the next great era of Yankees. But it's obvious from the last three years that 2017 was a flash in the pan year. Of course for that I blame the gross incompetence of their General Manager who I have not a single kind word for (because of his Moneyball slavishness and devotion to luxury tax fears we lost the 2017 title that should have been ours because he got Sonny Gray instead of Justin Verlander). Game 5 of the 2017 ALCS is likely to be for me the last great day for me as a baseball fan when I went to the game and saw the Yankees go up 3-2 in an ALCS that should have been theirs.


	Posted:	Nov 18, 2020 - 7:15 PM
	By:	ANZALDIMAN (Member)

Welcome Steve Cohen.

Very happy he is finally in charge as the new owner of the New York Mets.


	Posted:	Nov 19, 2020 - 10:59 PM
	By:	Eric Paddon (Member)

May the current game continue to bring you happiness and joy, Anz. And thanks for all the years of wonderful discussion and interaction in this thread.


	Posted:	Nov 20, 2020 - 5:20 AM
	By:	jackfu (Member)

I agree with Eric. The game really seems to have no soul anymore. I only watched the Series this year, knowing full well the Rays would collapse again, but I did have hope.

One of my fondest memories is my eighth grade drafting class teacher, Mr. Hewlett bringing a radio to class and letting us listen to the '68 Series while we drew; I think we listened to portions of six games.


	Posted:	Nov 24, 2020 - 6:36 PM
	By:	ANZALDIMAN (Member)

May the current game continue to bring you happiness and joy, Anz. And thanks for all the years of wonderful discussion and interaction in this thread.

Hi Eric.

Thank you too for all the years of discussions and the rants by both of us here.

I'm not giving up rooting for the Mets. Especially now. The team is finally emerging from under the dark clouds which it was under for decades under the Wilpon ownership. This journey now looks like a whole lot of fun. Steve Cohen is now the richest owner in baseball. He was a life long Mets fan before he became owner.

Finally, with Steve Cohen the Mets can and will compete financially on a level with the Yankees and Dodgers.

And that it how it should be for a National League franchise in New York.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.


	Posted:	Nov 25, 2020 - 10:07 AM
	By:	Eric Paddon (Member)

Happy Thanksgiving to you too, Anz. Best.


	Posted:	Dec 31, 2020 - 8:23 PM
	By:	ANZALDIMAN (Member)

Thanks Eric. Hope all is well with you.

RIP Tom Seaver.

So many greats in baseball have passed in 2020.

Tom Seaver was a hero to me growing up in the 1970's. In a sense, looking back, many of the posts by me on this thread were a tribute to him. Even if Seaver himself was not always mentioned. He loved being a Mets player and never should have left New York. But in the end the matter was beyond his control and I've discussed that situation here many times over throughout the years since this thread began in 2005.

There's obviously a lot more to say, but I just saw this video about him that was in my you tube feed and I thought this video would be a wonderful tribute to post here. One of the greatest of all time. Seaver was a master of the art of pitching. And this video touches on all of his achievements that led to the Hall of Fame.

Rest in Peace Tom. Thank you.


	Posted:	Jun 23, 2021 - 8:05 PM
	By:	ANZALDIMAN (Member)

Edwin Diaz has the Eye Of The Tiger this year.

It's about time.


	Posted:	Dec 8, 2021 - 4:04 PM
	By:	ANZALDIMAN (Member)

Congratulations to the Hodges family on Gil Hodges FINALLY being elected into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Happy that his wife Joan (who is 96 years old now) and his children lived long enough to finally see this happen. Gil was not yet 50 years old when he passed away in 1972.

Long overdue. This should have happened decades ago.


	Posted:	Dec 10, 2021 - 11:40 AM
	By:	Eric Paddon (Member)

My divorce from the current game remains final, but I am glad to hear about this as it should have happened a long time ago. The HOF has not done its credibility any good the last few years by voting in the likes of Harold Baines and Ted Simmons (and most disgraceful of all *Hawk Harrelson* to the broadcasters wing), and at the same time we have to see the writers continuing their disgraceful treatment of Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds and Curt Schilling, all of whom will no doubt get snubbed one last time while they'll simultaneously grease the skids for Big Phony, David Ortiz (and meantime, others who were part of the Yankee dynasty like Pettitte, Posada and Williams won't ever get a shot). Putting Hodges in is probably the last thing they'll ever do right.


	Posted:	Dec 11, 2021 - 9:12 AM
	By:	ANZALDIMAN (Member)

We disagree on Simmons, and obviously agree on Hodges. When you look at Hodges career numbers at the time of his death plus the '69 Mets connection he should have been in by the late 70's. Keep in mind that he, like many other players of his generation in those years lost playing seasons due to their service in WWII.


	Posted:	Dec 11, 2021 - 10:54 AM
	By:	Eric Paddon (Member)

I hadn't realized Jim Kaat was inducted too and that is long overdue. Tommy John deserves to get in as well.

I'd be a lot more open to Simmons if Thurman Munson had finally gotten some consideration. But Munson's perpetual snub, as well as that of Don Mattingly (I remain forever ticked that Kirby Puckett with identical stats got in on the first try while Mattingly was snubbed) and also the other vital players of the 90s Yankees I think says something about how the powers that be won't consider Yankee candidates unless they are off-the-chart no-brainers like Jeter and Rivera.

I will admit that Simmons was better than Harold Baines. That is a case of Tony LaRussa and Jerry Reinsdorf doing shameless politicking. Baines' numbers are more comparable to that of Rusty Staub who isn't in the HOF and never got serious consideration (though I think Rusty might have made it if he'd played his last five years in the AL as a full-time DH instead of as a Mets pinch-hitter).

As for this year's voting, if Clemens, Bonds and Schilling go in, I won't say boo on the guy I despise. But if he goes in and they don't, the writers only prove their hypocritical corruption on all levels.


	Posted:	Dec 15, 2021 - 3:39 PM
	By:	ANZALDIMAN (Member)

Ted Simmons was voted into the Baseball Hall of Fame along with players rep Marvin Miller by this Modern Era committee.

An interview of Ted Simmons with Ed Randall from 1988 including some video highlights of Simmons career (beginning at 6:44) after the interview concludes.

Once again, just like the situation with Lee Smith if you look at Ted Simmons career stats at the time of his retirement he should have gone in years ago. Ted Simmons was built like a tank. And he always had that serious look on his face. I don't think I ever saw the guy crack a smile during the 20 years he played. But he was an extremely underrated catcher during his career given the era he played in. There were so many good/great catchers back then it was kind of hard to stand out with the career he had given the peers he played against. Bench and Carter to name just a few.

If Simmons played today he would be considered the best catcher in baseball. Today you have a guy like Realmuto getting a high salary who is considered an elite catcher but who is his competition? I think the most Ted Simmons ever made while he played the game for two decades was 1 million dollars. He certainly would be making a hell of a lot more than that today and deserves his place in the Hall Of Fame beside the best catchers of his generation. Congratulations. He should go in wearing a St. Louis Cardinals cap on his plaque. And a few years down the road after he retires fellow St. Louis Cardinal catcher Yadier Molina will join him in the Hall.

My thoughts on Ted Simmons from a previous post are above.

Simmons was a very good hitter for a long time and a steady receiver behind the plate. Simmons had the good fortune of playing at a high level for a catcher up to the end of his 20 year career, which sadly Thurman Munson did not. The knock on Munson by the voters over the years has always been that because of his tragic death in the plane crash when he was in his early 30's he did not play long enough. I think that eventually this "Golden Era" or whoever this committee is now will eventually vote Munson in. He was truly one of the standouts of his generation. When you look back at how many great catchers there were back in the 70's and 80's and the lack of any great ones today it makes you appreciate so many of these guys from back then.

"The definition of a catcher, tough and durable. He stood above others with clutch hitting for power and average. I couldn't be happier! Proud to have him join us in Cooperstown. Welcome to the Baseball Hall Ted Simmons!"

~ Johnny Bench


	Posted:	Dec 19, 2021 - 8:06 PM
	By:	ANZALDIMAN (Member)

Many thanks to the Mets owner Steve Cohen for putting Starling Marte and Max Scherzer under the Holiday tree for Mets fans this year. And the latest addition of Buck Showalter the new Mets manager. Was hoping Buck would be chosen and was very pleased to see it finalized. Showalter is the right man for this team. And the 3 year deal is perfect.

If Jacob deGrom is healthy and Max Scherzer can even approach what he did last season in Washington and Los Angeles the Mets will have two of the most dominant starting pitchers in baseball at the top of their rotation.

This next video is a fantastic breakdown featuring the evolution of Jacob deGrom's mechanics and velocity over time. Probably of no interest to anyone here but I'm posting it anyway.


	Posted:	Dec 25, 2021 - 5:13 PM
	By:	ANZALDIMAN (Member)

It was nice to see Jerry Koosman honored by the Mets with having his number 36 retired in 2021. Quite a few of the 1969 Mets have passed away, or are now not physically able to make it to events like this anymore at Citifield. I was happy to see Ed Kranepool, Wayne Garrett, and Art Shamsky show up for the number retirement ceremony. If you are a Mets fan of a "certain age" you completely understand what Koosman meant to the Mets.

Jerry Koosman was a superb left handed pitcher. He was always billed as the number two in the Mets rotation with Tom Seaver always as the number one. It could be argued that Koosman was every bit as important as Seaver in the success of those teams. Seaver himself may have argued this point. They were the Mets "Dynamic Duo" from the late 1960's into the late 1970's. Seaver pitching from the right side, Koosman from the left. One two. Until the infamous "Midnight Massacre" trade that under a previous horrible ownership separated the two as teammates forever sending a still in his prime Seaver packing for Cincinnati.

The two videos that follow about the career of Jerry Koosman speak for themselves.

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