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 Posted:   Nov 29, 2006 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Just recently there was a post about the KING AND I 50th Anniversary Special Edition DVD and that it featured a Isolated Music Track.

I just received a few days ago my copy and the Iso Music track with with Alfred Newman Conducting is Superb. The sound is quite crisp and if you listen very closely you can hear Maestro Newman counting off for the orchestra to start (right as the movie starts). Of course the Roger's and Hammerstein score is wonderfull but also is Newman's incidental underscoring. Nice choral arrangements and performances including the clean Boatmen's Arrival, very reminiscent of the Winkies "OH EE OH" chant from THE WIZARD OF OZ. At times on the Iso track you can hear echoes of the vocals here and there but it's still quite a neat audio experience. It really sounds like you are right there at the Live recording session. Simply Awesome! In a few instances you will hear the recording engineer's voice slating the end of a track. Unfortunately there is no OVERTURE played, as the film starts with a Main Title featuring "March of the Siamese Children". I believe it is said that the OVERTURE from KING AND I was only recorded for the Soundtrack Album Release.

The DVD also includes the Pilot for the TV Series ANNA AND THE KING which was Themed and scored by Jerry Goldsmith. The show itself is subpar entertainment and the inclusion of a "laugh track" is itself a joke. However Goldsmith's underscoring is quite Beautiful and definately the Best Feature of the production.

The special features with many short documentaries are interesting enough, yet the commentaries by 2 guys from the Rog and Hamm society/Theater Historians, though informative, come across more like that Movie Critics skit from IN LIVING COLOR. "Hated It!" (As said by one of the effeminate Critics on the "In Living Color" show)

I recommend this to all.

The Al Newman Iso Track and Goldsmith's scoring of ANNA AND THE KING are worth the price of admission alone.

I got mine here with Free Shipping (sorry only in USA):

http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=FXD039102

Zoob

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2006 - 4:31 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

fully agree with your assessment Zoob.

And best of all, the Isolated score is presented at a stabilized volume (i.e., it's not up and down dependent upon what was going on in the film). You can hear just the music in all its heartbreaking splendor.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2006 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

Years ago, there was a deluxe laser edition of KING&I, which included a gold CD of much of Newman's background score. Luckily, I was able to find 2 copies of this, at 2 different used-CD stores, apart from the laser boxed set. When the commercial expanded release came out a year or so ago, it did not include some of the cues from the gold CD, including my favorite, an orchestral reprise of "Something Wonderful," as the King thanks Anna after the dinner party.

Newman, and his orchestrators, certainly had a way to make music...

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2006 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

fully agree with your assessment Zoob.

And best of all, the Isolated score is presented at a stabilized volume (i.e., it's not up and down dependent upon what was going on in the film). You can hear just the music in all its heartbreaking splendor.


Thanks Ron. Those Al Newman 20th Century Fox Strings sure do the trick here. The whole orchestra is just superb. Amazing how much non-song Score was written for the picture by Alfred Newman which is so good. He definately deserved his Oscar for this one, by far!

Zoob

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2006 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

It's been quite a while since I've seen THE KING AND I; but, if I'm reading these posts correctly, there is underscoring that is not based on Rodgers' music?! I find that hard to believe.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2006 - 8:04 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Question - the region two does NOT have a clean music track for We Kiss in a Shadow but has a different vocal for Tuptim than the one in the film - is that vocal on the new ISO track.

The ISO track has also the first release of the actual finale of the film. Bot the laser Gold cD and the expanded capitol/Angel CD used the first 40 saeconds of the actual finale and then both cut to the record finale from 1956.

Yes, the Overture on the CD was recorded just for the commercial release.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2006 - 8:59 PM   
 By:   The_Mark_of_Score-O   (Member)

It's been quite a while since I've seen THE KING AND I; but, if I'm reading these posts correctly, there is underscoring that is not based on Rodgers' music?! I find that hard to believe.

Of course Newman's incidental music was based on Richard Rodgers's melodies; that was Newman's genius, and the reason he won nine Oscars for adaptation of others' musicals. Richard Rodgers trusted Newman implicitly to preserve the integrity of his work and complement it.

There's a very good reason why every film version of Rodgers & Hammerstein's shows (except Flower Drum Song) was made at Fox.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2006 - 9:24 PM   
 By:   Michael Arlidge   (Member)

The sound is quite crisp and if you listen very closely you can hear Maestro Newman counting off for the orchestra to start (right as the movie starts).

I've been listening with headphones, and I can't hear Newman speak. Could you possibly provide a timing (from the DVD) of when one can hear Newman speak.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2006 - 9:39 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

It's been quite a while since I've seen THE KING AND I; but, if I'm reading these posts correctly, there is underscoring that is not based on Rodgers' music?! I find that hard to believe.

Of course Newman's incidental music was based on Richard Rodgers's melodies; that was Newman's genius, and the reason he won nine Oscars for adaptation of others' musicals. Richard Rodgers trusted Newman implicitly to preserve the integrity of his work and complement it.

There's a very good reason why every film version of Rodgers & Hammerstein's shows (except Flower Drum Song) was made at Fox.



He won 7 Oscars for musicals. Two of his Oscars were for original scoring -- "The Song of Bernadette" and "Love is A Many-Splendored Thing".

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2006 - 9:41 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)



I've been listening with headphones, and I can't hear Newman speak. Could you possibly provide a timing (from the DVD) of when one can hear Newman speak.


Actually, I've heard a voice on a few cues...just before the music starts up...don't know if it's Newman or not, but it's fun to believe it is. One of those places might be just before the main title.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2006 - 9:46 PM   
 By:   Michael Arlidge   (Member)

Actually, I've heard a voice on a few cues...just before the music starts up...don't know if it's Newman or not, but it's fun to believe it is. One of those places might be just before the main title.

Thanks. I will give a more attentive listen to the track today, and see if I can hear any voices (as if I don't hear enough alreadybig grin).

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2006 - 10:34 PM   
 By:   joec   (Member)



Actually, I've heard a voice on a few cues...just before the music starts up...don't know if it's Newman or not, but it's fun to believe it is. One of those places might be just before the main title.



This is also true of the CAROUSEL dvd iso track.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2006 - 10:38 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)



Actually, I've heard a voice on a few cues...just before the music starts up...don't know if it's Newman or not, but it's fun to believe it is. One of those places might be just before the main title.


Do you also hear voices whilst listening to Newman's "Song of Bernadette" Ron ????
big grin big grin big grin big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2006 - 12:26 AM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....Do you also hear voices whilst listening to Newman's "Song of Bernadette" Ron ????.....


I believe I keep hearing voices whenever I watch THE SNAKE PIT with Olivia de Havilland.

And they guide me in my posts here....."What?"

There was one right now. Did you hear it?

It sounded like someone familiar.

NEXT!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2006 - 3:32 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)



I've been listening with headphones, and I can't hear Newman speak. Could you possibly provide a timing (from the DVD) of when one can hear Newman speak.


Here's what you do Michael.

Pop in Disc 1. Go to Special Features and select- Music Only Track "ON"

Then go to Scene Selection. Select -Main Title

At about 2 seconds in you will hear Orchestra Rustling and even some bows bouncing on violins. Sounds like the Orch was a little anxious.

At about 9 or 10 seconds in, you will hear what sounds like a click track or Newman's baton hitting a beat.

At about 13 seconds you'll hear a voice, I would think the conductor's (it sounds kind of raspy and Newman was known to have been a heavy smoker) counting 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 and at about 10 the glorious Orchestra Commences.

Hope that gets you to hearing it. My headsets are not even the best, but I can hear it all very nicely.

If you play the movie without the Music Only Track on "ON" you will hear none of these hidden treasures or get the feeling of being right at the recording sessions.

Try it at home! Enjoy. It's really cool.

Happy Listening!

Zoob

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2006 - 4:10 AM   
 By:   Michael Arlidge   (Member)

I appreciate your help. However, I am 100% certain that Newman's voice has been edited out of the isolated score track on the region 4 version. I've been through the particular section of the film in question several times, and there is nothing there except the music. However, there is one spot later in the film where Newman can be heard for a couple of seconds, counting the orchestra in at the beginning of a cue.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2006 - 5:46 AM   
 By:   GMP   (Member)

I hope when FOX finally gets around to releasing "Can-Can" (1960) on DVD they will also have an isolated music track. Much of Cole Porter's score is in the background (many songs cut from the stage play) Of course they sound great with FOX's orchestra with Nelson Riddle. This soundtrack recording was also released on Capital Records (as was "Carousel" & "The King and I") so maybe this one won't have a lot of rights problems -here's hoping. The Porter music is the best thing in the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2006 - 7:17 AM   
 By:   The_Mark_of_Score-O   (Member)

He won 7 Oscars for musicals. Two of his Oscars were for original scoring -- "The Song of Bernadette" and "Love is A Many-Splendored Thing".

You're absolutely right.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2006 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

Yes, the Overture on the CD was recorded just for the commercial release.

Am I right in believing the film's 1960s reissue in Grandeur 70 came with an Overture, Entr'acte and Exit Music, all edited from pre-existing cues however? They appear on the earlier region 2 disc, which I presume must have been mastered from a 70mm print?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2006 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

No, earlier dvd transferswere from cinemascope 55 - whiy go to 70mm when that would be a few generations away from the original.
But,yes. The earlier dvd had overture intermission and maybe exit - all edited from the background score and not new pieces written for the film by Newman.

 
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