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 Posted:   Aug 15, 2019 - 4:53 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Yep, THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK makes me wanna weep too, but probably not for the same reasons you do... frown

 Posted:   Aug 15, 2019 - 7:19 AM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

P.S. I didn't notice any major changes in the "special edition". Anyone know what they are?

The Special Edition is full of horrible changes and edits. Including to the soundtrack. Lets not forget Luke screaming like a little sissy boy as he jumped off the weathervane. The Special Edition edit is unwatchable.

To be fair, even Lucas seems to have acknowledged that was a mistake, as they took out Luke's scream from the DVD and Blu-Ray releases. Otherwise, unlike the other two films, most of the changes are more subtle, and don't attempt to rewrite a classic scene (Greedo shooting first) or replace a not great song with an even worse song and throw in a muppet for good measure (Return of the Jedi).

The only changes I liked is that they cleaned up a lot of the space sequences, so you don't see boxes around Tie Fighters like in the original release, and they darkened the snow speeders a bit, which you can see through in the original release, particularly when they are flying around looking for Han and Luke. I am neutral about the Vader/Emperor call. Although it is nice to see Ian Mcdiarmid as the Emperor, there doesn't seem much point for the change. As for the changes I don't care for, well, they are pretty much everything else. As was mentioned before, adding scenes of Vader landing on the Star Destroyer hurts the flow of an epic scene. The new wampa scenes don't sync with the original scenes very well, the new look for Bespin is all over the place, Luke's original line to R2D2 after R2 was spit out by the swamp monster was far better than the line that replaced it, and I don't care for Boba Fett's replaced dialogue, as Temuera Morrison's delivery just seems flat.

If this all seems harsh, I am generally hostile toward subsequent edits to movies, whether it is a director's cut, extended edition, or whatever else they like to call it. In the vast, vast majority of the time, the theatrical cut got it right the first time.

 Posted:   Aug 15, 2019 - 7:27 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

@ Michael Scorefan- Agreed on your points.
@ Henry- I didn’t care for the Wampa scenes.
@ Marshall- Dark Knight was excellent.

 Posted:   Aug 15, 2019 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   johnonymous86   (Member)

I didn’t care for the Wampa scenes.

I thought the SE revisions added clarity to the scene. I was very young when I saw ESB the first time and I never really knew what was going on in that scene until I read the novelization. There was a monster and Luke cut...something off of it? Was that an arm?

The Special Edition clarified that scene and made it a more cohesive part of the opening sequence.

I agree that a lot of the other changes were unnecessary and were at odds with the original effects left in the film. That being said, watching the Battle of Yavin on the big screen with those crisp digital effects was exciting.

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