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 Posted:   May 2, 2007 - 6:15 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Having just watched this classic for the first time in many years, I can only repeat this sad lament:

they don't make 'em like that anymorefrown

bruce marshall

P.S. I didn't notice any major changes in the "special edition". Anyone know what they are?

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2007 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   Oblicno   (Member)

The lightsaber duel in that culminating in the hand-fall-offery is ace. Very simple really, no cgi bollocks - and wipes the floor with any of those new trilogy efforts. I like the sparks being swept by the wind as the saber pings of the shoulder of vader and the gantry.

Havent seen it years, not a big Star Wars fan, especially now, but it was good stuff indeedy. Had acting and everything.

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2007 - 7:52 PM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)

Having just watched this classic for the first time in many years, I can only repeat this sad lament:

they don't make 'em like that anymorefrown

bruce marshall

P.S. I didn't notice any major changes in the "special edition". Anyone know what they are?


You're right. The eighties established icons (Star Wars, Aliens, The thing) and created several new ones (Blade Runner, Predator, the terminator).
They were rock solid. Nowadays it is style and visuals over content. The content isn't good to start with and the visuals are sub par.
I wait for the day that people have to admit that the LOTR and HP had very bad effects.
I remember 1983 when I said that Return of the Jedi was very good but that that speeder bike chase looked cheap and bad. I was almost drawn and quartered then and almost mocked to death. Now those same people are all falling over themselves saying that it never was that great.
The same now happens when I mention the piss poor quality and obviousness of the LOTR and HP films.
Want to see CGI that is as well done as a burnt stake? See Ang Lee's Hulk. His approach is the way to do it, and shows why this guy is regarded so highly. His other films I don't care for but his approach to the Hulk made for a total jaw dropping experience when the green guy appeared on the screen.

In general though I prefer actual model work even if it shows it's a model. Somehow it has more substance for me (ID4's success showed I wasn't alone on that). I like the old Star Wars of better said: The ONLY Star Wars.
As a friend of my once put it: "We want fur".
I got the essence of what he meant with that, and totally agreed with that expression.

Spider-man is totally lost on me. I love the comics (until early eighties, then he died for me) but the new films are filled with extremely obvious and insultingly bad CGI. Example? Too many but just for the obvious: at the ending of Spider-man 2, the extremely badly toylike looking helicopters. That might have been great 10-15 years ago but nowadays even toddlers computergames have better graphics.
The only bad CGI I accept is car crashes and nothing else.

I want women to have curves and I want SF films to have "fur".

Kind regards.

D.S.

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2007 - 7:54 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

"P.S. I didn't notice any major changes in the "special edition". Anyone know what they are?"

The Wampa Ice Lair sequence got redone, with more(better?) monster shots. Cloud City has lots of extra flying car shots/flyby's and added scenic views through windows and Lucas buggered with some Vader/Emperor dialogue.
This one got the lesser 'makeover' of the three originals, even Lucas couldn't (belatedly) f&*k this one up, it's damned near perfect!


 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2007 - 8:10 PM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)

Cloud City has lots of extra flying car shots/flyby's and added scenic views through windows

That irritated the hell out of me. Still does.
The original looks are far nicer. Easier on the eye and more aesthetic than the meddled with one.

To quote Paul Teutul Sr.: "Old school baby Old school!!".

Kind regards.

D.S.

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2007 - 8:53 PM   
 By:   Greg Bryant   (Member)



P.S. I didn't notice any major changes in the "special edition". Anyone know what they are?


Cloud City suddenly has a lot of windows where there weren't any before.

I kid you not. roll eyes roll eyes

 
 Posted:   May 2, 2007 - 9:07 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)



Cloud City suddenly has a lot of windows where there weren't any before.

I kid you not.
\
I'd put the "rolling eyes" icon here if I knew how to do it

thx!
brm

 
 Posted:   May 2, 2007 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   Jim Wilson Redux   (Member)

On the other hand, the shot of the Falcoln landing at Cloud City was vastly improved from the animation-heavy one in the original version. And some of the Ralph McQuarrie matte paintings were pretty obvious. The Ellenshaw ones worked, though.

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2007 - 10:03 PM   
 By:   Marko   (Member)

Let us not forget Lucas adding that exciting moment that shows Vader traveling to his star destroyer and landing inside in the middle of the Falcon's boring escape from Cloud City.


What an exciting addition to the film from Lucas.

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2007 - 10:32 PM   
 By:   franz_conrad   (Member)

Let us not forget Lucas adding that exciting moment that shows Vader traveling to his star destroyer and landing inside in the middle of the Falcon's boring escape from Cloud City.


What an exciting addition to the film from Lucas.


That's the one change that just mucks everything up rhythmically... possibly because it messes with the music.

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2007 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   Greg Bryant   (Member)



That's the one change that just mucks everything up rhythmically... possibly because it messes with the music.


"But hey, it's MY MOVIE, and I'll do what I want with it."

- George Lucas

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2007 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)

There is quite a bit of critically appalling optical work in EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. Same with SUPERMAN II. Both movies were dogged with production politics, and it shows.

As for CGI special editions, I am totally against anything that rubbishes historical documentation. What's the point? It's only surface form too, it's not like you are "improving" (for lack of a better word) the story. It's also really telling of George Lucas' limited talents that he has to keep returning to alter the post production of his back catalogue. Funny how he only had the balls to direct one of those original STAR WARS movies yet refers to them all as "his" movies.

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2007 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   Oblicno   (Member)

He should have made EWOKALYPSE NOW! i heard he wrote the script then that other beardy fella came in and made it about NAM, replacing the ewoks.

Shame.

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2007 - 9:46 PM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)

Supposedly, Lucas STILL believed ROTJ was about 'Nam--the "non-technologically-savvy people against the high-tech folks"--truly ironic considering Lucas' apparent dream of making movies without actors.

You gotta admit, though, that the above-named icons--Alien, Star Wars, The Thing, Blade Runner--were ALL criticized as being about nothing but special effects.

So take these sentiments with a grain of salt, kids--the old fogies of every age ALWAYS say "They don't make 'em like THAT anymore". Believe you me, they were saying it back in the 80's when they were criticizing then-current releases.

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2019 - 6:53 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Bumped.for Morricone wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2019 - 7:55 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

P.S. I didn't notice any major changes in the "special edition". Anyone know what they are?

The Special Edition is full of horrible changes and edits. Including to the soundtrack. Lets not forget Luke screaming like a little sissy boy as he jumped off the weathervane. The Special Edition edit is unwatchable.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2019 - 8:00 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

P.S. I didn't notice any major changes in the "special edition". Anyone know what they are?

The Special Edition is full of horrible changes and edits. Including to the soundtrack. Lets not forget Luke screaming like a little sissy boy as he jumped off the weathervane. The Special Edition edit is unwatchable.


I agree with you here solium. But I did like the redone wampa creature scenes, what about you?

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2019 - 8:14 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

P.S. I didn't notice any major changes in the "special edition". Anyone know what they are?

The Special Edition is full of horrible changes and edits. Including to the soundtrack. Lets not forget Luke screaming like a little sissy boy as he jumped off the weathervane. The Special Edition edit is unwatchable.


Oh, boy. frown

I still loved it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2019 - 8:15 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

P.S. I didn't notice any major changes in the "special edition". Anyone know what they are?

The Special Edition is full of horrible changes and edits. Including to the soundtrack. Lets not forget Luke screaming

like a little sissy boy as he jumped off the weathervane. The Special Edition edit is unwatchable.


The Solium Revelations

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2019 - 9:13 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I think.i.may hafta amend my opening statement.

They do, sometimes , still make 'em like that.

I think THE DARK KNIGHT achieved the same high level of rich character, great visuals, and adult storytelling, in a fantasy- action setting.

Check it out#

 
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