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 Posted:   Jun 24, 2020 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   Dylan   (Member)

This is a gorgeous Elmer Bernstein score. I would love to see an expanded/complete release of it.

Two variations of his beautiful theme were part of the LP program:





I love "Rudy Wins the Race" - so emotional. I'm happy to have revisited these cues.

I haven't seen this film in years, but I remember more variations of this theme throughout the film. For somebody who has seen the film more recently, are there any particular standout cues that are unreleased?

Even if the song artists on the original "Meatballs" album are holding up a release of the original LP program, would a score-only release be possible?

I recall reading about a two-hour version of "Meatballs" as well, but I can't find the source at the moment. If that earlier version was fully scored before it was edited down, then there might be more cues than what we hear in the film. Does anybody recall reading what was cut from this film, exactly?

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 12:05 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Against all odds, I loved this film and the score as well, sparse as it was, and durn it, I even kind of liked those dumb songs. Yes, it's another one of those goofy teen comedies, but it has a great heart, plus you have to love Bill Murray. Elmer Bernstein wrote a lovely little score for this, of which my favorite track (dialogue and all) is "Rudy and Tripper." I'm a guy who basically avoids comedy scores like the plague, but this one is an exception. I would instantly purchase a CD release (hopefully expanded in the ways suggested by others here) or even just the LP content if that is all there is to be had.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   Dylan   (Member)

The film was a massive hit in 1979, grossing around 40 times its budget, but it seems mostly forgotten today - the lack of a blu-ray or a CD release of the LP program seems to signify this. I mostly remember the Bill Murray and Chris Makepeace friendship scenes & the way Bernstein scored those scenes, which gave the film a certain gravitas that separated it from other summer camp comedies (remember when comedies would have beautiful music? I feel that was a pretty consistent thing from the '30s until the mid '90s, then filmmakers inexplicably decided it was no longer a thing). By the way, unless I'm mistaken, I suddenly remembered reading that the film was re-edited in part to focus more on Murray and Makepeace, and if that's true then I'm not sure how much more Elmer Bernstein scoring there would be in a longer cut, seeing as that's the element of the film Bernstein seemed to focus on.

Any theories as to what the hurdles might be to get this released beyond the song artists holding up a release of the LP program? Is it possible that there is a contractual obligation to include the songs on ANY release of music from "Meatballs," making a score-only release impossible?

I would love to know more about Elmer Bernstein's experience on this film, as "Meatballs" is a project I don't believe he spoke about much (if at all) in interviews. I know Peter Bernstein orchestrated this score, so if somebody were to write liner notes for a potential release he would be a great person to talk to.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Yes, those Murray/Makepeace scenes along the lines of counselor/charge are what stood out. A similar scene and setting in Grand Canyon comes to mind. Of course, I'm a sucker for that stuff having had my share of those moments as a sports coach.

Yes, it's another one of those goofy teen comedies, but it has a great heart,...

Back at'cha, DW. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Against all odds, I loved this film and the score as well, sparse as it was, and durn it, I even kind of liked those dumb songs. Yes, it's another one of those goofy teen comedies, but it has a great heart, plus you have to love Bill Murray. Elmer Bernstein wrote a lovely little score for this, of which my favorite track (dialogue and all) is "Rudy and Tripper." I'm a guy who basically avoids comedy scores like the plague, but this one is an exception. I would instantly purchase a CD release (hopefully expanded in the ways suggested by others here) or even just the LP content if that is all there is to be had.

The latter can't be true Dana, can it, Bernstein & Goldsmith have both been on record stating that comedy scores take the finer requirements or the final adjustments of character traits, Elmer further said that Ghostbusters was his toughest picture overall for its themed sketches & matching of particular scenes was challenging, its also one that Elmer holds dearest too his heart while tackling it till he retired. Elmer & Jerry worked a few comedies thos scores that I know are pretty good listening i'm also not a fan of comedy - but I am liking more unknown stuff like "Meat Balls."

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   Dylan   (Member)

Here are Elmer's own words on "Meatballs," from an interview I will provide the link to below. He doesn't say much, but it's very favorable toward the film itself.

"I’ve done the music for every film that Ivan Reitman’s ever done. The association started seven years ago when he was an associate producer on ANIMAL HOUSE. Subsequent to that he directed his first film, MEATBALLS. It was a little film and I took a chance on it, because he didn’t have the money to pay me but I had great faith in his ability and his talent and I loved the film. I did that film and we’ve been together ever since."

https://cnmsarchive.wordpress.com/2013/09/06/elmer-bernstein-and-ghostbusters/

This was in 1985. Bernstein and Reitman stopped working together after "Legal Eagles" (1986) - that's a score that definitely has numerous alternate/deleted cues, as the film was being re-shot, re-edited, and re-scored right up until just before the release date & the frustration Bernstein had during this process is what apparently led to their split.

 
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