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 Posted:   Nov 13, 2007 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

FSM has released at least two Ron Goodwin scores:
FORCE TEN FROM NAVARONE & OPERATION;CROSSBOW. Both came from the composer's private collection of 1/4 inch tapes.

Might not the composer also have a personal copy for this Hitchcock classic?

I think you see my point>


(yeah, i know it was released by Universal frown)

 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2007 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

The music must still be licensed from Universal not matter who has a copy of the tapes, but Intrada has had some success there recently... Who knows?

 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2007 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

The music must still be licensed from Universal not matter who has a copy of the tapes, but Intrada has had some success there recently... Who knows?

Well, what if someone snuck into his home and....

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2007 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   Jameson281   (Member)

It's so frustrating--we get dozens of re-recordings of FRENZY's Main Title, but no one ever records any of the great suspense music!

 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2007 - 7:29 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

It's so frustrating--we get dozens of re-recordings of FRENZY's Main Title, but no one ever records any of the great suspense music!

DON'T GET ME STARTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2007 - 8:05 PM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

. . . and then, of course, there's Henry Mancini's FRENZY too.

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2007 - 12:17 AM   
 By:   The Cat   (Member)

Hi Bruce,

If it makes you feel better, the tapes DO exist in Goodwin's collection and are in reasonably good shape as far as I can tell. Unfortunately there's still the Universal thing, so Intrada could give a shot at it - we just have to make them aware of our demands! smile Also Universal should have some tapes of Mancini's music too, otherwise I don't know how they could put the original main titles up to the scene in the documentary.

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2007 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Hi Bruce,

If it makes you feel better, the tapes DO exist in Goodwin's collection and are in reasonably good shape as far as I can tell. Unfortunately there's still the Universal thing, so Intrada could give a shot at it - we just have to make them aware of our demands! smile Also Universal should have some tapes of Mancini's music too, otherwise I don't know how they could put the original main titles up to the scene in the documentary.


Actually, i think it makeS me feel WORSE!
lol!

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2010 - 1:17 AM   
 By:   krais   (Member)

Hi, I dug up this thread because I for one would love to have both Goodwin's great score as well as Mancini's unused score. What puzzled me was that since I don't own the Mancini in Surround cd, does anyone who has that album know if the DVD of the film have the Mancini title music from the Surround cd or is it from the original tracks?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2010 - 2:54 AM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

Hi, I dug up this thread because I for one would love to have both Goodwin's great score as well as Mancini's unused score. What puzzled me was that since I don't own the Mancini in Surround cd, does anyone who has that album know if the DVD of the film have the Mancini title music from the Surround cd or is it from the original tracks?

I have the CD and the DVD. The recording used in the documentary is definitely not from Mancini's album. Since they used Herrmann's original racks for "Torn Curtain" for the alternate audio track on that DVD, I don't see why they wouldn't have used Mancini's original score tracks on the "Frenzy" DVD as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2010 - 3:07 AM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

. . . and then, of course, there's Henry Mancini's FRENZY too.

That reminds me: do the tapes from Mancini's rejected score exist?

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2010 - 3:21 AM   
 By:   krais   (Member)

Thanks, this is highly interesting! If Mancini finished the sessions, unlike Herrmann, whose Torn Curtain session was cancelled by Hitch, I really hope the music will be released some day. The main titles sound very intriguing, wildly different than Goodwin's title music, which is great in its own right.

Unfortunately, as Mancini has been typecast as the easy-listening composer, so a release of Frenzy is less likely, unless it would contain commercially valid, hummable tunes (maybe "Necktie Cha Cha" or "Something for the Corpse") wink Then again, Mancini's brilliant thriller score Wait Until Dark was released a few years ago, so who knows.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2010 - 3:42 AM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)

I am very interested in the Mancini score.

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2010 - 3:57 AM   
 By:   The Cat   (Member)

The main titles sound very intriguing, wildly different than Goodwin's title music, which is great in its own right.

It also sounds very different from the rest of the sconre. The actual music is nothing like the main theme - or anything ever written by Mancini (with the exception of "Posh For Two" or "Tijuana on Thames" - those are what the title promise).

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2010 - 6:09 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Unfortunately, as Mancini has been typecast as the easy-listening composer, so a release of Frenzy is less likely, unless it would contain commercially valid, hummable tunes (maybe "Necktie Cha Cha" or "Something for the Corpse") wink

Big labels might think like that. Labels like FSM, Intrada, etc, wouldn't.

I don't see any reason why a release of Mancini's Frenzy should be any less saleable than so many other things that come out.

In fact, now you mention it, a release of Goodwin's score and the Mancini score (if recorded) would interest me much.

I assume that the usual re-use rules that force American recordings to be limited would not necessarily apply in this case, as I assume these were recorded in London. Do correct me if I'm wrong.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2010 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   The Cat   (Member)

I assume that the usual re-use rules that force American recordings to be limited would not necessarily apply in this case, as I assume these were recorded in London. Do correct me if I'm wrong.

Both were recorded completely in London.

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2010 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)


I assume that the usual re-use rules that force American recordings to be limited would not necessarily apply in this case, as I assume these were recorded in London. Do correct me if I'm wrong.


There are re-use fees in the U.K. but not on the same scale as fees in the U.S. David Wishart (musicko) dealt with the question on this thread: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=31952&forumID=1&archive=1

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2010 - 5:10 PM   
 By:   FILMSCORE MAN   (Member)

The Frenzy Tapes...

I like that thread title.

Yeah, WHEN???

Both scores!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2010 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   Ed Nassour   (Member)

There's some irony here.

Hitchcock tosses out Herrmann's score for "Torn Curtain" after Universal execs demand a much more pop-oriented score utilizing a pop tune for the main title that the studio can exploit. So of all people they hire John Addison who tells them outright he isn't a songwriter, that they'd be better off hiring someone like Henry Mancini. The studio refuses because by that time Mancini is earning far too much money. So later on they do hire Mancini for a Hitchcock film and Hitch tosses it out!

"If you don't think that's funny, you'd better not go to college." -Kate (East of Eden)

I got that info on "Torn Curtain" directly from Addison who I knew having worked on a film he scored. Addison told me that although he felt privileged to be ask to score a Hitchcock film, he also felt tremendous sympathy for Herrmann's plight.

I'd love to see a CD released with Goodwin's score and Mancini's rejected score. Both from the original session masters.

Woooops! We're having an earthquake in LA!



 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2010 - 6:32 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)



Woooops! We're having an earthquake in LA!


Wow, you're an oak! Still typing while the earthquake was happening.

I feel gypped, I was sitting at my desk on an excercise ball. Didn't feel crap!

 
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