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 Posted:   Dec 22, 2007 - 7:52 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

I picked this one up today.
I'm surprised I could only find one thread about this Williams classic (unless more were lost).
I know Thor thinks the MCA album is enough as a good representation of the score - but is it? It seems too short to me.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2007 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

While the score portion on disc is pretty darn short, I don't remember there being a great deal more of music, either.

Fantastic movie with a fantastic score though. I can't even get through the main titles without crying.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2007 - 9:21 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

I've heard the 'rest' of it. There's nothing terrible needed missing, it's mostly more of the same (but with this music, that's not so much a bad thing). The rock songs are good too, unlike SOME CDs I could name...


-Joshua

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2007 - 9:54 PM   
 By:   eplicon   (Member)

The full score is a little redundant in the usage of the theme. Williams utilizes many variations from it. But some of my favorite moments not on the commercial album would be the cue following the Marines' speech at the high school, where Ron and his friends talk about their future after high school. The other would be Ron's homecoming after his horrible stay at the V.A. hospital. Oliver Stone spoke highly of that particular piece in the DVD commentary.

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2007 - 10:26 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

There's a whole genre there. I think it's a great score, and somebody should, like Silva or the like, make a comilation 'Veteran' CD.

Imagine, William's 'Born on 4th. July', Friedhofer's 'Best Years of Our Lives', Tiomkin's 'The Men', Herrmann's 'Man in the Gray Flannel Suit' etc. ... if the subject matter is worthy, composers pull out the best, as a rule.

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2007 - 12:13 AM   
 By:   cirtap   (Member)

Oh the Johnny Williams music is so much better than that crude Oliver Stone gave us. One scene after a another wit a punch in the stomach. If u got thru that scene well here is another PUNCH in the stomach.

And onto to actor who jumped up and down on Oprah's yellow sofa, he can't act, he can never act, if u had that actor in a closet wit the door wide open he STILL can't act his way out of the closet.AND let's not forget the fake ass placed on the cheek tear drop. WOW. that was bad.
BUT the music by John Williams raises above all the garbage that is on scene.

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2007 - 12:21 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

And onto to actor who jumped up and down on Oprah's yellow sofa, he can't act, he can never act, if u had that actor in a closet wit the door wide open he STILL can't act his way out of the closet.

Yet he got the Oscar Nomination for Best Actor.

Why is it I get the feeling that the nomination has vast more levity than someone who can't even attempt to use correct grammar on the internet?

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2007 - 1:33 AM   
 By:   kingtolkien   (Member)

Anyway the music is a masterpiece. It is one of his best scores ever. The academy really stole him the oscar that year and imagine that the Last Crusade was also nominated. I find it irritating that no Indy film has won for best score. Anyway!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2007 - 3:51 AM   
 By:   wim_van_schaik   (Member)

I really loved this score from the first time I heard it.
Before I saw the movie I came across the cd in a shop.
Decided to give it a listen, but I had to stop listening
because it brought me on the brink of crying. I bought it
there and then and I have listened to it quite often since then.

I have heard the unofficial expanded release,
but it goes on with the same theme for far too long.
Still it has some really great variations on that theme
that I would not mind seeing/hearing on an official release.

If you love 'Born on the Fourth of July' you could
try Vaugham Williams' Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis.
There are some similarities in the music, but best of all,
they share (in my ears) that same aching melancholy quality.
That music was used in 'Master and Commander',
it's on that soundtrack in an abridged version.

Here you can listen to a way too brief sample:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/recsradio/radio/B000004ANW/ref=pd_krex_dp_001_006?ie=UTF8&track=006&disc=001

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2007 - 5:15 AM   
 By:   scorechaser   (Member)

Here I have to agree with Thor. I love that score very much too, but it is a bit repeatitive, and I am well off with the wonderful album. And yes, the songs are great too!

Philipp

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2007 - 5:24 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Here's the earlier thread, by the way:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=21081&forumID=2&archive=1

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2007 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   cirtap   (Member)

And onto to actor who jumped up and down on Oprah's yellow sofa, he can't act, he can never act, if u had that actor in a closet wit the door wide open he STILL can't act his way out of the closet.

Yet he got the Oscar Nomination for Best Actor.

Why is it I get the feeling that the nomination has vast more levity than someone who can't even attempt to use correct grammar on the internet?


Wills u be's my news editors, cuz my other ones went onto da WWF to becomes a Wrassler. Pleasea says yesa!! I is havin reals diffikulties spel ling theze big words. tkns

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2007 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   cirtap   (Member)

Anyway the music is a masterpiece. It is one of his best scores ever. The academy really stole him the oscar that year and imagine that the Last Crusade was also nominated. I find it irritating that no Indy film has won for best score. Anyway!


Hey lad, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade was nominated for best score of 1990. Check ur facts please.

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2007 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

the boston pops suite (with some alterations in the arrangements) is also great to have

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2007 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

the boston pops suite (with some alterations in the arrangements) is also great to have

Can you give more information about this release?
Thank you!

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2007 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   Marko   (Member)

Hey lad, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade was nominated for best score of 1990. Check ur facts please.



I suggest you brush upon your Oscar trivia as well. Last Crusade was released in 1989.

Here are the nominees for best score that year:



Born on the Fourth of July
The Fabulous Baker Boys
Field of Dreams
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
The Little Mermaid


Official site:
http://awardsdatabase.oscars.org/ampas_awards/DisplayMain.jsp?curTime=1198439469257

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2007 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   wim_van_schaik   (Member)

Can you give more information about this release?
Thank you!

Alex



The cd title is Music for Stage and Screen



There is also some music by Copland
(Red Pony & Quiet City). The suite from
"the Reivers" contains narration by Burgess Meredith.

the Amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/Music-Stage-Screen-Aaron-Copland/dp/B000002A2O/ref=sr_1_72?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1198445828&sr=1-72

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2007 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

lol.
I have the release, and remember Copland's Red Pony and Williams' The Reivers - but Born on the fourth completely disappeared from my memory.
I'll be cheking it out soon - thank you.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2007 - 5:04 PM   
 By:   Miguel Andrade   (Member)

Born on the Fourth of July is among my favorite Williams film scores. The melaconlic and noble quality of the music goes beyond the horrors of war to which the main characther was subjected and shows the inner fight he had whithin himself.
As mentioned above, the regular MCA release is a wonderful presentation of the score, working as a concert suite.
The full score, while of interest for those studying the art of film scoring, may end up being a little redundant.
Also, there was a promotional CD single from MCA back then, that included two diferent edits of the title track, with some synth percussion added to.

Regarding "Music for Stage and Screen", that's a sort of dream album for me. Besides coming with suites from two of my favorite Williams scores, comes with Quiet City, one of my Coplands favorites, and on a performance that ranks with the best -- for me, being second only to Tilson Thomas with the LSO.

 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2007 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   cirtap   (Member)

I was tech right, the nomination for 89 flics always come up in March of 90.

 
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