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 Posted:   Jan 12, 2008 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

Just got the CAPTAIN FROM CASTILE DVD with Isolated Score. Excellent showcase of Alfred Newman's lush musical contribution.

On the Isolated score track you can hear who I assume is the Recording engineer slating each cue before they start. On other Alfred Newman Isolated score DVD's such as CAROUSEL and THE KING AND I you can actually hear Newman himself counting down and commenting at times.

Here I do believe though we are hearing the recording engineer. At about 11:30 into the film you hear the engineer talking and shortly he says sternly, maybe a little jokingly

"Quiet Warica!.....Warica always makes noise!...Shhhhhh tape."

Who is Warcia? A musician? A technician?

Can anyone shed some light?

I love these ISO Score features. So interesting to hear the orchestra noise and chatter by the artists now long gone. Sort of ghostly voices from the HIstory of Film music.

The film itself looks gorgeous and Jean Peters is very sexy in her lose fitting tops and such.

Haven't yet listened to the group Audio commentary by Nick Redman, Jon Burlingame and another guy. They are usually quite fun and informative.

Anyone else have this Cinema Classics Collection DVD release?

Please share your thoughts and again, Who is Warica?

I don't have the CAPTAIN FROM CASTILE 2 CD SAE Release of the score. Perhaps that may have a Orchestra members/crew listing with the answer.



Zoob

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2008 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Just got the CAPTAIN FROM CASTILE DVD with Isolated Score. Excellent showcase of Alfred Newman's lush musical contribution.

On the Isolated score track you can hear who I assume is the Recording engineer slating each cue before they start. On other Alfred Newman Isolated score DVD's such as CAROUSEL and THE KING AND I you can actually hear Newman himself counting down and commenting at times.

Here I do believe though we are hearing the recording engineer. At about 11:30 into the film you hear the engineer talking and shortly he says sternly, maybe a little jokingly

"Quiet Warica!.....Warica always makes noise!...Shhhhhh tape."

Who is Warcia? A musician? A technician?

Can anyone shed some light?

I love these ISO Score features. So interesting to hear the orchestra noise and chatter by the artists now long gone. Sort of ghostly voices from the HIstory of Film music.

The film itself looks gorgeous and Jean Peters is very sexy in her lose fitting tops and such.

Haven't yet listened to the group Audio commentary by Nick Redman, Jon Burlingame and another guy. They are usually quite fun and informative.

Anyone else have this Cinema Classics Collection DVD release?

Please share your thoughts and again, Who is Warica?

I don't have the 2 CD VARESE Release of the score. Perhaps that may have a Orchestra members/crew listing with the answer.

Zoob




Have not seen the DVD and thus not listened to the isolated score. If you enjoy this score-and it is truly one of the greats- then you owe it to yourself to purchase the SAE 2disc release. Most of the score has been reproduced in early stereo and the sound is outstanding. A lot of TLC went into this CD production

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2008 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

Actually,

Ray Faiola, it says you do a Cue by Cue description in the 44 page booklet. Ray, perhaps you know? Jon B? Thanks.

Zoob

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2008 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

I believe that is actually Lionel Newman conducting and he is referring to one of the musicians, no idea who. I like that we are able to keep the slates and chit-chat where we have it. In addition to that sense of being on the stage (a particularly great effect with headphones) it helps in the study of the art of spotting because you know that music is about to start and you can observe the action preceding the cue start mark. We conform these tracks in a room directly over the Fox scoring stage and when we listen to that material it's easy to imagine that they're all right down there scraping away.

Mike

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2008 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)


Have not seen the DVD and thus not listened to the isolated score. If you enjoy this score-and it is truly one of the greats- then you owe it to yourself to purchase the SAE 2disc release. Most of the score has been reproduced in early stereo and the sound is outstanding. A lot of TLC went into this CD production


Agreed. And the SAE 2 disc CD sounds far better than the DVD isolated score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2008 - 3:12 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

I doubt that Lionel would be conducting one of Alfreds Greatest Scores.

Speaking of the Tyrone Power DVD collection.
What has happened to the soundtracks of two fo these films.

Most of Fox Studio collections classics sound pretty good but we get two losers here - Both Captain from Castille and Prince of Foxes sound really poor.

Castille was shown years ago in a cut version from SFM Holiday Network. It was cut but the sound was truly great - Not so on the DVD.
When I lived at L.A. UCLA showed an original nitrate Tech print of castille and the sound was just as great as on the SFM broadcast.
The dvd sounds like the high end and crispness are completely gone.

Same goes for Prince of Foxes. This film used to sound great but not on this dvd. What gives?

Compare the sound of these two films to other films in the box - particularly Son of Fury.

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2008 - 7:47 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Yeah, the SFM print had GREAT sound. That was in the pre-Chace days. Grrrrr.

No, I have no idea who Warica was. The CD booklet does not have a listing of the members of the orchestra or recording crew.

Max Steiner was always talking to "Davey" on the sound stage. I still don't know who Davey was.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2008 - 8:09 PM   
 By:   Michael Arlidge   (Member)

Newman going off at the talkative musician is my favourite part of the 'behind-the-scenes' component of the CFC isolated score track. He really gives her a great serve.big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2008 - 10:48 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

I just listened to the slate again, and it is Lionel. It is preceding a piece of source music, which he often conducted. I share these little bites with Lionel's grandson Joey when I come across them. His grandmother Beverly loves hearing them.

The isolated track was taken from the same source used to make the CD, so if there was a drop in quality it must have suffered a lot of compression. I haven't listened to the finished DVD. Even so, it's too bad the movie doesn't sound nearly as good.

Mike

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2008 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   Hellstrom   (Member)

As usual, Joe is just confusing the issue. He isn't referring to the isolated score, but the "composite" sound of the film itself.

And with regard to the isolated score not sounding as good as the SAE release, we chose not to use the SAE "mix," so as to preserve a difference between the two sources. The true music lovers can enjoy the fruits of Ray's labors on the CD, the isolated score has a different application, and is targeted to a wholly separate demographic.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2008 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Quite right, Hellstrom, only referring to the composite tracks.

Ray mentions problems with Chace but I was at Chace when they redid the Captain track for laserdisc. What you hear is exactly what they got. Just barely okay.

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2019 - 9:57 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

Took more than a decade, but here's the answer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Waronker

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2019 - 3:34 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Okay, THAT'S amazing!

 
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