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 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   scottthompson   (Member)

From Gerhardt's Wikipedia hit:

One particularly successful set Gerhardt conducted with the National Philharmonic Orchestra included the 14 LPs of the Classic Film Scores series for RCA, issued 1972-1978. This started with the 1972 release “The Sea Hawk: The Classic Film Scores of Erich Wolfgang Korngold. The whole series was notable especially for Gerhardt's own, extremely careful, preparation of the scores. Recordings were made in the acoustically outstanding Kingsway Hall and engineered by Kenneth Wilkinson. The producer of the series was George Korngold, the composer’s son. The series continued with albums devoted to Max Steiner, Miklós Rózsa, Franz Waxman, Alfred Newman, Dimitri Tiomkin, Bernard Hermann and John Williams as well as albums devoted to music in the films of Bette Davis, Humphrey Bogart, and Errol Flynn. A number of additional pieces were recorded but remain in the vaults.


The last sentence is very interesting! More Gerhardt recordings in storage??

Somebody needs to dig this up, and put together a multi disc BLUE BOX of all his recordings, which are the best re-recordings I've ever heard.

SCOTT

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

Why blue?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   estgrey   (Member)

Scotthompson: The last sentence is very interesting! More Gerhardt recordings in storage??

I was under the impression that the "extra" material was incorporated in the expanded CDs Gerhardt supervised of Korngold and Waxman, and the CD that was issued along with the US Postage Stamps of classic composers. (This stamp-related CD has an expanded version of Steiner's The Fountainhead, I think, but that is off the top of my head as I do not have it in front of me.) The statement has been made that there was no more unreleased music, although Gerhardt also wanted to complete the process of rearranging the CD contents so that related material was all together, but that was stopped and the CDs instead came out exactly as the LPs were done.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

When Gerhardt prepared THE SEA HAWK for its first cd release, he added an additional unreleased cue to the suite from BETWEEN TWO WORLDS.

Beyond that, it contained Korngold music recorded for other albums in the series (like the Errol Flynn album).

Franz Waxman's cd was initially released with ALL the Waxman music recorded for the entire series, and all without Dubly Surround.

There were also many film music recordings prepared just before the RCA series for Readers Digest, some of which have been released by Varese and by Chesky.

My personal dream box project: the entire series, with any surviving unreleased material all remastered sans Dubly. It would be a nightmare to license, but worth the effort. Of course the trend these days is to go after original tracks, but these performances stand on their own as essential performances.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   shicorp   (Member)

There's still material from these sessions that has yet to be issued. I think there's a longer suite of "The Big Sleep", for instance...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   estgrey   (Member)

Shicorp: There's still material from these sessions that has yet to be issued. I think there's a longer suite of "The Big Sleep", for instance...

If that is true, it would be very interesting. I would just be happy if they released the music without the dolby muffle.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   shicorp   (Member)

See this thread:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=42901&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Why blue?


Somehow it just has sort of a ring to it....

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)




My personal dream box project: the entire series, with any surviving unreleased material all remastered sans Dubly.. .


...and with a black cover

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   scottthompson   (Member)

Quoting Ed: "My personal dream box project: the entire series, with any surviving unreleased material all remastered sans Dubly. It would be a nightmare to license, but worth the effort. Of course the trend these days is to go after original tracks, but these performances stand on their own as essential performances."


Well said! This would be a dream project for me, too, if extra material is unearthed and it could be re-arranged into just a Classic Film Scores Conducted by Gerhardt box set.

In Gerhardt Blue, of course.

SCOTT

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)


...and with a black cover


A "black box" for FSM?
"How much more black could this be? And the answer is none. None more black."

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   Floatin' Joe Gillis   (Member)

A "black box" for FSM?


Featuring famous scores from air disaster films, no doubt.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   JEC   (Member)

So...who owns the rights to all these recordings? RCA?

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

The question is: who owns RCA?
Answer: Sony BMG. No idea if that applies to the back catalogue, but I assume so.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   scottthompson   (Member)

"Why blue?"


BLUE BOX is now a general noun referring to any highly anticipated multi-disc box set, according to Webster's FSM revised. The color does not matter.

A "box" for something as film-musically significant and important as this project would be is almost anti-climatic. Marketing people much smarter than me could come up with something really cool (like the donut packaging for THE SIMPSONS or the brief case for the BLADE RUNNER DVDs).

As one somewhat ignorant on the processes of licensing, what all difficulties present themselves for releasing such a set?

SCOTT

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Lukas has commented on the difficulties in expanding film scores in other posts. The situation with the CFS series is a little different, naturally, and I'm NO expert, but when RCA reissued the series on cd they were adamant that the original lp presentation be preserved - no idea why, when the materials were at hand (at least in the late '80s) to slightly expand at least two of the original lps. There have been online comments (which I hope are untrue) that the masters have not aged well in some cases. The only evidence of that I've heard is that there is clearly brief damage to Tiomkin's THING suite heard in both the "stamps" cd and the "Spectacular World Of Classic Film Scores" cd.

In any case, to do it right you'd need to go back to the session masters to get the best possible sound and to include any trims. Would RCA allow such a thing? I certainly hope so.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   shicorp   (Member)

I think RCA's decision to exclude any bonus material after the first two releases supervised by Charles Gerhardt himself was simply a cost-cutting measure. Even if AFM restrictions were stricter back then, the situation can hardly be compared to FSM or Intrada releases. First of all, the series was conceived for worldwide retatil distribution, whereas the current products from speciality labels are only available through limited sources - and the general public may therefor be unaware of the great work Lukas & co do. Furthermore, the albums were relatively new then (the CD re-issues appeared about 15 years after the first album in the series had been recorded) and the series had an outstanding reputation among film music collectors and audiophiles. Together with the fact, that innovations like home video and cable television, brought many classic movies back to the public during the 1980s, I'd assume that the target audience for these releases was bigger back then than it is now.
The question is, however, if the recent DVD re-issues have lead to a similar increase in popularity of classic movies - and the scores of them...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 3:09 PM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I think RCA's decision to exclude any bonus material after the first two releases supervised by Charles Gerhardt himself was simply a cost-cutting measure. Even if AFM restrictions were stricter back then, the situation can hardly be compared to FSM or Intrada releases. First of all, the series was conceived for worldwide retatil distribution, whereas the current products from speciality labels are only available through limited sources - and the general public may therefor be unaware of the great work Lukas & co do. Furthermore, the albums were relatively new then (the CD re-issues appeared about 15 years after the first album in the series had been recorded) and the series had an outstanding reputation among film music collectors and audiophiles. Together with the fact, that innovations like home video and cable television, brought many classic movies back to the public during the 1980s, I'd assume that the target audience for these releases was bigger back then than it is now.
The question is, however, if the recent DVD re-issues have lead to a similar increase in popularity of classic movies - and the scores of them...


Nothing at all to do with the AFM, the series was recorded in London.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   shicorp   (Member)


Nothing at all to do with the AFM, the series was recorded in London.


Many thanks for the reminder.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2008 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)


...and with a black cover


A "black box" for FSM?
"How much more black could this be? And the answer is none. None more black."


Blondie-wan understands. smile

 
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