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 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

If they did wouldn't it eliminate a lot of problems? Lukas got himself out of the retail business awhile back turning it over to SAE. They would just release to their network of wholesale customers who would do their own marketing.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

Do you have an axe to grind with Intrada, Tom?

Jeez.

Intrada wouldn't make as much $$ selling stuff wholesale...plus they have their own customeres who buy other labels product in their store. I'm confused.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

I'm talking about their label.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

I'm talking about their label.

Their store is successful, so why in the world would they not want to distribute their label themselves?

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

It eliminates this buying frenzy.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

It eliminates this buying frenzy.

Have they ever once suggested that that's a problem for them? I don't understand what the problem is.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

It eliminates this buying frenzy.

No it doesn't. Look at Varese and SAE. And La La Land. A label should be penalized in the fan's eyes because they actually release a title that a whole lot of people were interested in?

If Intrada wanted to be really stingy, they could be like Varese and not give discounts the the retailers, a la Varese Club, and they could reap even more profits on this stuff.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

It eliminates this buying frenzy.

Have they ever once suggested that that's a problem for them? I don't understand what the problem is.


And the buying frenzy certainly hasn't been eliminated for FSM product, now has it!

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

The problem is simple. They release an item you want but for some reason you can't be on the computer at the right time(some people use public computers) and you miss out. Instead of paying $19.95 you might have to pay up to double or triple to get the release. I don't know about you but it would really bother me to have to pay that much more for the score. Call me cheap but I can't pay $5.00 for a bottle of water at the airport. I'll drink from a fountain. I think it is hurting this hobby. Just my opinion.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

Ron I'm confident that Lukas will correct that problem in future releases. I think he undershot his quantities on the MGM set. I was very surprised given the economy.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

The problem is simple. They release an item you want but for some reason you can't be on the computer at the right time(some people use public computers) and you miss out. Instead of paying $19.95 you might have to pay up to double or triple to get the release. I don't know about you but it would really bother me to have to pay that much more for the score. Call me cheap but I can't pay $5.00 for a bottle of water at the airport. I'll drink from a fountain. I think it is hurting this hobby. Just my opinion.

I don't see how Intrada exclusively wholesaling and in effect giving the profits they would have made to everyone else is going to change things, though....

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

The market will find the right price.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   Squiddybop   (Member)

Ron I'm confident that Lukas will correct that problem in future releases. I think he undershot his quantities on the MGM set. I was very surprised given the economy.

So you're confident Lukas will address the problem for FSM, but you don't seem to trust Doug and Roger to solve Intrada's issues. I think if there's a solution, they'll be able to find it. Refusing to sell their own titles sure doesn't sound like the answer to me.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

http://www.maintitles.net/forum/discussion/899/low-quantity-alert/#Comment_51570

Scroll down and read what James S. had to say. He explains it very well, far better than I can.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

http://www.maintitles.net/forum/discussion/899/low-quantity-alert/#Comment_51570

Scroll down and read what James S. had to say. He explains it very well, far better than I can.



Yes, I read the entire thread.

It seems to have been a result of a festering amount of resentment for having missed out on something.

The fact is, these "small labels" cannot afford to press and warehouse the copies you guys want them to for "future fans" to discover and order.

The larger labels never wanted to issue them, and it took a lot of work on the part of a handful of people to make it "workable" to get the releases in any quantities.

They cannot cut deals for 1,368 copies of something. If they do 2,000 and only 1,150 sell, they are STUCK with 850 copies.

But I'm certain all the brain trust of these forums and messageboards will continue to tell the small lables exactly what they are doing wrong and how they can make it all better for everyone.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Scoredude, I now understand what you consider the problem, but I haven't got a clue as to how Intrada becoming a wholesaler would in any way solve that problem. It would increase the middlemen involved (and by the way, they do wholesale to other soundtrack specialty stores already), it would not increase supplies by a single CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   Squiddybop   (Member)

Okay, well Southall asked this question in that thread:

Where's tomorrow's Jerry Fielding fan going to come from? You can't buy any of his music - again - it all comes and goes within twelve hours.

And this looks like the answer to me:

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=52722&forumID=1&archive=0

Of course there are people (like me) who would much rather have the Intrada CDs, but it's not like the scores have vanished from the face of the earth.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

May I add as well that the notion that simmering resentment about missing out on limited editions is going to bite these specialty labels on their behinds is utter nonsense. Score fans will absolutely not stew in a corner and sit out while a score they've wanted for years is released, just so show Intrada that they should have issued more copies of "Invaders from Mars."

Frustration is real, and unfortunate. But all these "solutions" are ill-informed and really quite foolish. If Intrada became a wholesaler exclusively, they would reduce their profits significantly, and it would not make a single soundtrack fan happier in any way.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Okay, well Southall asked this question in that thread:

Where's tomorrow's Jerry Fielding fan going to come from? You can't buy any of his music - again - it all comes and goes within twelve hours.


I love the idea of a perfect world where all scores are available and in print forever. But this has never been true, ever, in the history of mankind, and I frankly don't understand how it could be true.

Oh, except…

In a world of music downloads, it can happen! The music can be available and in stock at all times! Future Jerry Fielding fans can find his music on iTunes, Amazon, and whatever competitors they have.

(Oh, but I forgot -- downloads are the work of the devil, aren't they?)

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

Then increase the price Ron. I'm not telling anyone how to run their business. What they are doing is perfectly legal and they can do whatever. My experience is solely based on having been involved in retail for 38 years. Just staying afloat as a small retailer for that many years is an accomplishment. As I said on the other thread if I hadn't had the stroke I'd be still working but I can't do my job anymore, a tough pill to swallow some days. I just feel in my opinion the way to increase this hobby is to attract more people and if you do that you'll sell more. This hobby to me just seems so elite sometimes that we turn people off not attract. Does that make sense?

 
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