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I saw this film on it's initial release, and fell in love with the music (and the film)I rushed off to buy the soundtrack and proceeded to wear it out. I then bought as many El Cid re-releases that I could find right up to the advent of cd's. Imagine my joy , having just purchased a cd player, to find that one of the first soundtrack releases in the UK was EL Cid on EMI, I bought it, took it home and was disappointed to find 1 track (Farewell) from side one missing. Still the sound quality was way better than thev vinyl. When I heard that El Cid was being re-recorded by James Sedares I was very excited, so as soon as the cd became available I bought it. After a few listening sessions, the Sedares's went away and back came the EMI cd. I hated the way that the Prelude, Fight for Calahorra, were played too slowly, and the organ at the start of the Finale was truly terrible. When I heard that Tadlow was re-recording El Cid I had high expectations for this release, and I wasn't disappointed,Tadlow's is as near as damn it perfect, it sounds magnificent, it's played beautifully. OK maybe the Organ in the finale,as they are praying on the beach, is quieter than in the film, but it's there and there are some minor tempo changes, but hey James knows what he's doing, and this release outshines all the rest. Finally my EMI cd has been laid to rest. Thankyou James and Lucie and everyone else for giving us this superb score, I've waited 46 years to hear this, and it has fullfilled all my expectations. Chris
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I then bought as many El Cid re-releases that I could find right up to the advent of cd's. Imagine my joy , having just purchased a cd player, to find that one of the first soundtrack releases in the UK was EL Cid on EMI, I bought it, took it home and was disappointed to find 1 track (Farewell) from side one missing. Still the sound quality was way better than the vinyl. Chris Chris .... I think your old vinyl issue must have been the UK release with the brown sleeve? The last track on Side 1 only appeared on that one issue. The track was untitled actually, and was not 'The Legend'. The REAL name of the cue was 'Pride and Sorrow' and David Wishart eventually put that cue into a compilation suite on a CNR CD. The thing was more confusing because that UK pressing, though GREAT in sound quality, ran two tracks together onto just one band, so that the 'Prelude' and 'Palace Music' were presented as just one long band. This meant that there were STILL only SIX bands on the LP side 1, but they didn't correspond to the tack-listing. The track listing, as with all the other releases (on CD too) was: (1) Overture (2) Prelude (3) Palace Music (4) Fight for Calahorra (5) Thirteen Knights (6) Farewell The ACTUAL bands on the that one LP issue however were: (1) Overture (2) Prelude and Palace Music (3) Fight for Calahorra (4) Thirteen Knights (5) Farewell (6) Pride and Sorrow (uncredited) This has confused you, by the looks of it. Anyway .... At last a thread on track and not diverted I hope. For those of us whose copies aren't here yet, this is a great place to enthuse, so let rip on topic folks!
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Thanks William, you are quite right, it was the brown sleeved edition, and yes the Prelude and Palace Music were placed together. It's age mate, it addles the brain, I could never understand though why Pride and Sorrow was left of the UK EMI cd release. If you haven't received this yet, I can honestly say you are in for one hell of a treat, my favorite tracks, Forgiveness, Friendship and the Barn are just beautiful, the solo violin playing exquisite. The whole set is a perfect listen, it never drags or gets boring, it's a complete joy from beginning to end. The Battle music is just so powerful, and my most sought after track, Entry of the Nobles, is just WOW!!
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I'm coming to this thread a year late (!) but is the CD of the original recording still in print? I have only been able to find used copies of it, for which people are asking $35 and up.
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It's no longer in print. The last issue was on Chapter III and before that it was released on EMI (in the UK) and Sony Music. As an M-G-M recording, the rights are with Turner/Rhino and in an interview a year or two ago Lukas said he intended to do it again at some time. Thanks!
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So we can say it magically DISAPPEARED after those few pressings, and then magically REAPPEARED on the British re-issue. Did anybody ever figure out why? (PS: Nobody rushed to the store quicker than I did to buy the EL CID LP, but my copy never had that magic track. Those early pressings must have been DAMNED early, indeed!)
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Well, if the Tadlow cues are correct, and I'm sure they are, the piece should really be titled 'Honour and Sorrow' and it has a whack of 'The Court of Ferdinand' as well of course. Either David got the title wrong for CNR, or Rozsa renamed it for the album. It's a sensible enough title. Shortscore cue names are just functional, and not necessarily very poetic or aesthetic.
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Thanks, Doug! Obviously, your recall of things we read in Pro Musica Sana back in the early 70's is better than mine! Cheers, PNJ
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I've got the complete cue list at home from when I was looking at the score at the Library of Congress. I'll check on the correct title of the cue, but I'm pretty sure you're right. Thanks Joe, y'know if what Doug says is true, it probably means that there were MORE cues recorded in Munich than we know about. It would have been limited by the size an LP could be, but if one cue was slated and rejected, then there might have been others. Who knows?
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Now, now, let's not get everyone excited about something that may or may not even exist. If there is evidence of it, fine, but please don't go all hog wild with speculation just because you (and I) wish it were so. Ah, but a little bird once told me (and I have no way of verifying if the bird was reliable) that some more material on the Lib. of Congress sheets, was adapted, selotaped, crossed out etc. etc. and earmarked for album than turned up in the final LP. It may not be so, and if so, that stuff was probably never recorded anyhow, and if so, junked. Incidentally, things that 'may or may not exist' .... that phrase covers everything in the universe, and any parallel universes too, when you think about it.
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Thanks Joe, y'know if what Doug says is true, it probably means that there were MORE cues recorded in Munich than we know about. It would have been limited by the size an LP could be, but if one cue was slated and rejected, then there might have been others. Who knows? I doubt it, since Rozsa himself back in the late '70s stated that he had no recollection of ever recording the "Pride and Sorrow" cue for LP. That doesn't mean that he didn't record it back in 1961, but it does significantly reduce the possibility that other cues were recorded as well.
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Hi James, I am now the proud owner of your exodus re-recording and i can honestly say what a fantastic job you have accomplished in re recording one of the most magnificent scores of the 20th Century... i have a few suggestions for further re-recordings: 1.Alex North's Spartacus 2.Lawrence of Arabia 3.Walk on the wild side/Man with the golden Arm/Sweet smell of success elmer bernstein 4.Dr Zhivago 5.Franz waxman's taras bulba 6.max steiner's Don juan and flame and the arrow 7. Erich Korngold's Captain blood
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