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 Posted:   Sep 1, 2008 - 8:46 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

Since the superb release by La La Land of the 3 CD OL scores by Dominic Frontiere, there still remains the mystery of Harry Lubin's missing season 2 music tracks. One of the regulars here has told me he had an LP of some of these scores in the 70s which was part of a larger library. The LP is MIA,alas. Ford Thaxton has said they searched for the music but couldn't find it.
While there's SOME resemblance to Lubin's ONE STEP BEYOND work, his scores for OL season 2 are unique and would make a great CD release as a follow up (if they could be located) I wonder if the music is on it's own track on the original show negatives where it could be isolated (like they did when they removed THE FUGITIVE scores for the latest DVD set)
Maybe Lubin's OL stuff is out there somewhere as part of another library?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2008 - 11:04 PM   
 By:   JimWynorski   (Member)

Charles is correct. I'm the guy who had these tracks on records way back in the mid 1970s. There were three lps, but perhaps there were more in the set; I really can't be sure. The labels were colored maroon, but it's been so long that I can't remember the info on the label. All I know is that they came from some commercial music library in Southern California somewhere.

The discs contained many great cues from the second season of Outer Limits. These same discs had been used to score the grade Z horror movie, NURSE SHERI, before they came to me. If anyone can find a copy of said flick, you'll see that it was almost totally scored with outer limits tracks.

As it turned out, I felt compelled to trade these records away when someone offered me 78rpm discs containing many cues from the second season of the Superman tv series(always a childhood favorite of mine).

So I transferred the OL discs to 71/2 ips reel-to-reel tape and made the trade. Unfortunately, over the years, those quarter inch tapes fell victim to moisture damage and were rendered unplayable.

I still maintain that the OL music is just sitting out there in some old music vault somewhere waiting to be re-discovered. Let's hope someone finds it soon.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2008 - 11:38 PM   
 By:   Eugene Iemola   (Member)



eek


 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2008 - 5:57 AM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

Jim- is the person you traded with still around? Maybe they still have the LPs?

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2008 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

It's great to know that Lubin's music might have survived!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2008 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   JimWynorski   (Member)

Jim- is the person you traded with still around? Maybe they still have the LPs?

It's been over thirty years...I don't even remember the guy's name. Sorry.

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2008 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

Hi Jim-if you could just recall the name of the library or record label I know a guy who has hundreds of production libraries-he might have it

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2008 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   TOR The Wrestler From The Past   (Member)

When in California, visit UCLA's Special Collections and check out Lubin's manuscripts. There might be references to the production libraries or LP's (although you'd think that info would be online somewhere):
http://unitproj.library.ucla.edu/music/mlsc/collection.cfm?id=28&f=ftma
A cue also used in "Dracula vs. Frankenstein"(1971).

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2008 - 4:53 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

Al Adamson did that film and NURSE SHERRI but unfortunately he has passed on. Maybe someone involved with his productions might know "the score".

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 4:34 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt0m3nd8ch/entire_text/

Is there anything in the above link which is of news, or useful, to anyone? Tor Johnson's old 2008 link is now defunct. I don't know if this contains the same info, but is it in any way enlightening?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 6:07 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt0m3nd8ch/entire_text/

Is there anything in the above link which is of news, or useful, to anyone? Tor Johnson's old 2008 link is now defunct. I don't know if this contains the same info, but is it in any way enlightening?


Are you just interested in the written scores, or the recordings? Much of his music was located online a few years later: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=66151&forumID=1
The Lubin library was owned by the Carlin label. They released some cds, and possibly the LPs that Jim had. They have alot of Lubin music online, available if you're in "the industry."
Btw, the website "playkpmmusic.com" site is dead so the links in the above thread wont work. Carlin was bought by APM:
http://www.apmmusic.com/g-l/harry-lubin
You can find the Carlin library on their website - on their toolbar, select MUSIC>LIBRARIES>CPM(formerly Carlin). In the search window, type in LUBIN, and click on the little disc to the left end of the search window and tick "Composer" and "Album title". Then expand the album title results to see the relevant tracks within. You can play them as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 6:25 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Thanks, Last Child. I didn't see that thread when I did a Lubin search.

Anyway, any excuse to ramble on. I have recently been introduced to the wild, wacky and admittedly not-so-wonderful world of Al Adamson films. Jim W mentioned NURSE SHERRI (aka HOSPITAL OF TERROR) eight years ago (!) and how it tracked a lot of Lubin's "Outer Limits" throughout. The Main Titles are from "One Step Beyond" though. Watch the whole film at your peril -

NURSE SHERRI/ HOSPITAL OF TERROR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGJ15Hsvjaw


On looking into John Carradine's career in the world of incredible turkeys, I discovered BLOOD OF GHASTLY HORROR. Now isn't that a brilliant title? BLOOD OF GHASTLY HORROR!!! And behold - it's an Al Adamson flick. And the Main Titles, with the music and graphics, are actually pretty great. Just don't venture too far beyond that though. Here's my question about the Lubin music used for the Titles. I know it's from "The Outer Limits", and I'm pretty sure it's heard in "Cold Hands, Warm Heart" every time William Shatner comes face to face with that little floating cord puppet from Venus. But I imagine it must have been tracked into a lot of other episodes, otherwise I don't think I'd have recognised it. Was that piece written originally for one particular show, or did it come from the library?

BLOOD OF GHASTLY HORROR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6x-LCuqiNM

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Stanton Avenue Records has a "More Music From One Step Beyond" cd with a few additional Outer Limits cues, although not enough to make it worth your while.

Amazon has some Lubin downloads which have some Outer Limits cues:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PN0RL7W?ie=UTF8

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Thanks again, LC. We were posting at the same time. Will look into what you said.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 6:44 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

Well here's an interesting lead from warner chapell. Library music. Titles sounds like from outer limits?

One Step Beyond: Vintage Science Fiction Classics (The Music of Harry Lubin) by Hollywood TV Music Orchestra
https://itun.es/us/EuZi4

More importantly, and I bought this album, is this album. All cues from one step beyond and four from outer limits. These 2 guys are lubin fans and sounds like they could do outer limits. They licensed this album. They contacted me for feedback. Im emailing them this thread.

https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/151982150322

mikeandnick at gmail dot com

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 6:50 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I know it's from "The Outer Limits", and I'm pretty sure it's heard in "Cold Hands, Warm Heart" every time William Shatner comes face to face with that little floating cord puppet from Venus. But I imagine it must have been tracked into a lot of other episodes, otherwise I don't think I'd have recognised it. Was that piece written originally for one particular show, or did it come from the library?

I dont know anything about the pedigree for library music, but seems like it would be hard to write without some visual source for guidance. Anyway, the music in the movie credits is the last half of cue "Supernatural Planet." It's on the CLASSIC SCIENCE FICTION (CAR 401) release. Was a 2-cd release from Carlin, and on the APM site. I'm surprised it was omitted from the Amazon/itunes download because those are sourced from the CAR 401 release.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Well here's an interesting lead from warner chapell. Library music. Titles sounds like from outer limits?

One Step Beyond: Vintage Science Fiction Classics (The Music of Harry Lubin) by Hollywood TV Music Orchestra
https://itun.es/us/EuZi4

More importantly, and I bought this album, is this album. All cues from one step beyond and four from outer limits. These 2 guys are lubin fans and sounds like they could do outer limits. They licensed this album. They contacted me for feedback. Im emailing them this thread.

https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/151982150322


yeah, the itunes is the same music as the Amazon download, and the ebay cd is the Stanton Avenue cd.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

Well here's an interesting lead from warner chapell. Library music. Titles sounds like from outer limits?

One Step Beyond: Vintage Science Fiction Classics (The Music of Harry Lubin) by Hollywood TV Music Orchestra
https://itun.es/us/EuZi4

More importantly, and I bought this album, is this album. All cues from one step beyond and four from outer limits. These 2 guys are lubin fans and sounds like they could do outer limits. They licensed this album. They contacted me for feedback. Im emailing them this thread.

https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/151982150322

mikeandnick at gmail dot com


Sorry last child for duplicating what you found but the campbells are a good lead(smile). Sadly in sept 2015 he still had 460 left and still has some march 2016.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 7:11 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Sorry last child for duplicating what you found but the campbells are a good lead(smile). Sadly in sept 2015 he still had 460 left and still has some march 2016.

jkannry, are those the number of "More One Step Beyond" cds left?

I've read it's expensive to license the music which is why there was only 4 extra tracks on their "More One Step Beyond" cd. Most of those seem to be from the Carlin 401 release, so technically they have been released before. I'm not trying to bad mouth their release, but it's hard to get excited when the APM site has hundreds of Lubin cues. There are also mono and stereo versions of some cues. The stereo sounds great but the OL series used mono.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 7:58 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

Sorry last child for duplicating what you found but the campbells are a good lead(smile). Sadly in sept 2015 he still had 460 left and still has some march 2016.

jkannry, are those the number of "More One Step Beyond" cds left?

I've read it's expensive to license the music which is why there was only 4 extra tracks on their "More One Step Beyond" cd. Most of those seem to be from the Carlin 401 release, so technically they have been released before. I'm not trying to bad mouth their release, but it's hard to get excited when the APM site has hundreds of Lubin cues. There are also mono and stereo versions of some cues. The stereo sounds great but the OL series used mono.


Yes its the more one step beyond number.

What I believe is the car and apm cue cds above have been released on itunes as hollywood tv music orchestra. Sone cutesy modern tie ins and covers but looks like lot of library released including one entitled classic science fiction. Each album24 tracks

From Another Planet - Music from Classic Science Fiction Shows by Hollywood TV Music Orchestra
https://itun.es/us/IpxyI

As a side note the vintage step beyond has so many outer limit cues its like reliving the series

 
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