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 Posted:   Aug 13, 2019 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I don't necessarily agree with you comments regarding the first two films, Oldsmith, but we definitely agree on JP3. A stripped-down, lean 'monster movie' that still adhered to the recipe of the first two -- some exploration/wonder combined with excellent atmosphere, a good, focussed trek/adventure storyline and some fine action setpieces. As I said earlier, the only thing I really didn't care for was that the ending felt kinda rushed; there were some good extra 20-30 minutes of film here.

I don't see or understand the issues that people have with it.


I think Tea Leoni was easily the most annoying JP character ever. The spinosaur looked like the giant machine it was, The whole filmed seemed rushed. It had a very anti-cimactic ending. I could go on and on. Sam Neill was good again however. And why did Grant and Ellie break up?


Agree with you on Tea Leoni, though I dislike her period and yes the ending was a bit anti-climaitc. The rest was "B" movie fun. The Spinosaur vs T-Rex fight is one of my favorite action scenes in all the JP films- just way to short.


Hi solium! Did you know the T rex animatronic in JPIII was the male T rex animatronic from TLW refurbished?


No, but makes sense.



solium, what did you think of the trailer over the cliff scene in TLW? That is one of my favorites from the whole series.

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2019 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

One thing I never understood is why the sequels take place at a different island. During part I it is discovered that the dinosaurs are reproducing ("nature found a way") and most of them are alive at the end of the movie. So why transfer the action a "second" island instead of going back to the same island (I think it would be more interesting to see the action in the wreckages of the park than on a new island - well, in Jurassic World we got some of that)

This is one of the ways where Jurassic Park the book differs from its movie adaptation. Jurassic Park the book ended much more violently for the park and island it was on, so Crichton was forced to come up with another island.

I have no idea what the explanation was in the movie version of the Lost World, as with you I am not fond of the movie except for the score, so it has been too long. The book is pretty bad as well. Before Lost World, I used to be a huge fan of Crichton's work, but this book and a few of his later ones turned me off from his writing.

Back to the topic, JP3 is a fun B movie with A movie production values, and I enjoy Davis's score. I will happily pick up an expanded version should it ever get released.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2019 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Lost World is a 59 on Metacritic.

Jurassic Park 3 is a 42.

It is not even close

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2019 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I don't necessarily agree with you comments regarding the first two films, Oldsmith, but we definitely agree on JP3. A stripped-down, lean 'monster movie' that still adhered to the recipe of the first two -- some exploration/wonder combined with excellent atmosphere, a good, focussed trek/adventure storyline and some fine action setpieces. As I said earlier, the only thing I really didn't care for was that the ending felt kinda rushed; there were some good extra 20-30 minutes of film here.

I don't see or understand the issues that people have with it.


I think Tea Leoni was easily the most annoying JP character ever. The spinosaur looked like the giant machine it was, The whole filmed seemed rushed. It had a very anti-cimactic ending. I could go on and on. Sam Neill was good again however. And why did Grant and Ellie break up?


Agree with you on Tea Leoni, though I dislike her period and yes the ending was a bit anti-climaitc. The rest was "B" movie fun. The Spinosaur vs T-Rex fight is one of my favorite action scenes in all the JP films- just way to short.


Hi solium! Did you know the T rex animatronic in JPIII was the male T rex animatronic from TLW refurbished?


No, but makes sense.



solium, what did you think of the trailer over the cliff scene in TLW? That is one of my favorites from the whole series.


Spielberg at his worst. A cliff that appears out of no where. (just like in the first film) Back end of the trailer opens and you expect someone to fall to their death, but low and behold a perfectly clear pane of glass covers the back of the trailer. WHY? The T-rex's walk away after they push the trailer over the cliff making a rescue and escape easy.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2019 - 8:12 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Spielberg at his worst. A cliff that appears out of no where. (just like in the first film) Back end of the trailer opens and you expect someone to fall to their death, but low and behold a perfectly clear pane of glass covers the back of the trailer. WHY? The T-rex's walk away after they push the trailer over the cliff making a rescue and escape easy.

One of the best action sequences in film history, for an incredibly underrated film. That sequence is Spielberg at his very, very best.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2019 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

It is a shift in the planets, but...

I agree with Thor.

It is superb action set piece, pushed right up to the edge of ludicrous, not past it. The direction and pacing of it, and the production standards show Spielberg's massive skills. And it is stretched to its maximum visceral impact without going too far. That is something that the comic book movies now just fail at. I always wrote off the dinos walking away as, well, they just could not eat them, so they gave up.

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2019 - 8:49 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

We know little about the overall island -- could be a cliff or cliffs on it; easy to forgive. We hold up the first film, but it's also riddled with issues like the ones you point out, solium.

But it makes sense to have a trailer with a protective glass barrier when on a island of ... man-eating dino's.



For me, that's one of the best scenes in the film. That glass cracking part was intense in the theater.

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2019 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Spielberg at his worst. A cliff that appears out of no where. (just like in the first film) Back end of the trailer opens and you expect someone to fall to their death, but low and behold a perfectly clear pane of glass covers the back of the trailer. WHY? The T-rex's walk away after they push the trailer over the cliff making a rescue and escape easy.

One of the best action sequences in film history, for an incredibly underrated film. That sequence is Spielberg at his very, very best.


As long as continuity and logic means nothing to you.

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2019 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

It is a shift in the planets, but...

I agree with Thor.

It is superb action set piece, pushed right up to the edge of ludicrous, not past it. The direction and pacing of it, and the production standards show Spielberg's massive skills. And it is stretched to its maximum visceral impact without going too far. That is something that the comic book movies now just fail at. I always wrote off the dinos walking away as, well, they just could not eat them, so they gave up.


For me that scene, the attack on the camp/waterfall and the raptors in the tall grass are the good scenes of Lost World. But the forced plot, Malcon’s daughter beating the raptors with acrobatics, the overlong duration, the San Diego segment, the very weak villain makes it the worse of the original trilogy.

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2019 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Plenty of logic holes in the first film as well.

How about the T-Rex can break the wires and climb out onto the track, but minutes later we are shown that's entirely not possible as the park jeep falls over the wall which has a long drop that tall trees don't even reach. That T-Rex would have to have legs four times or more the height it does to get over that wall.

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2019 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

It is a shift in the planets, but...

I agree with Thor.

It is superb action set piece, pushed right up to the edge of ludicrous, not past it. The direction and pacing of it, and the production standards show Spielberg's massive skills. And it is stretched to its maximum visceral impact without going too far. That is something that the comic book movies now just fail at. I always wrote off the dinos walking away as, well, they just could not eat them, so they gave up.


Well I agree with you up to the, "Up to the edge of ludicrous" and "Without going too far". Its most certainly ludicrous and gone way to far. If a ten year old conceived that sequence he/she would be told to rewrite it. I've never questioned his mastery as a filmmaker though, even when Spielberg is being ridiculous.

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2019 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

Plenty of logic holes in the first film as well.

How about the T-Rex can break the wires and climb out onto the track, but minutes later we are shown that's entirely not possible as the park jeep falls over the wall which has a long drop that tall trees don't even reach. That T-Rex would have to have legs four times or more the height it does to get over that wall.


Yes, that’s something I also noted upon first viewing of the film.
I also wondered through which door did the T-Rex entered the hall in the end, as the main doors to that hall are very small.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2019 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

It is a shift in the planets, but...

I agree with Thor.

It is superb action set piece, pushed right up to the edge of ludicrous, not past it. The direction and pacing of it, and the production standards show Spielberg's massive skills. And it is stretched to its maximum visceral impact without going too far. That is something that the comic book movies now just fail at. I always wrote off the dinos walking away as, well, they just could not eat them, so they gave up.


Well I agree with you up to the, "Up to the edge of ludicrous" and "Without going too far". Its most certainly ludicrous and gone way to far. If a ten year old conceived that sequence he/she would be told to rewrite it. I've never questioned his mastery as a filmmaker though, even when Spielberg is being ridiculous.



alright, yeah, Steven, on his worst day, out directs almost everyone, especially with action and suspense stuff

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2019 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   JTWfan77   (Member)

Yes, that’s something I also noted upon first viewing of the film.
I also wondered through which door did the T-Rex entered the hall in the end, as the main doors to that hall are very small.


If you look closely you'll see the Rex enters by tearing through the clear plastic construction sheeting that's covering the opening to outside (not the door) as it's in shreds after the Rex appears but untorn before.

How about the T-Rex can break the wires and climb out onto the track, but minutes later we are shown that's entirely not possible as the park jeep falls over the wall which has a long drop that tall trees don't even reach. That T-Rex would have to have legs four times or more the height it does to get over that wall.

I've never understood that either. Don't they previz / storyboard stuff for the exact reason of avoiding these fallacies of logic?

Spielberg at his worst. A cliff that appears out of no where. (just like in the first film) Back end of the trailer opens and you expect someone to fall to their death, but low and behold a perfectly clear pane of glass covers the back of the trailer. WHY? The T-rex's walk away after they push the trailer over the cliff making a rescue and escape easy.

What bugs me the most is that we never see the Rexes pushing the trailer. That shot of the trailer moving towards the cliff seemingly by itself with the obvious matte background is really poor. It's as if the filmmakers ran out of time or money.

 
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