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 Posted:   Jun 5, 2009 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   fommes   (Member)

What are the chances to have more music from this series released?

More volumes or a box with unreleased music is seriously overdue!

 Posted:   Jun 5, 2009 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   scrapsly   (Member)

Being that the music is written for TV, I think it is pretty good. That being said, I am not that impressed with it. I am going to get rid of my Young Indiana Jones Chronicles Volumes 1 through 4.

 Posted:   Jun 5, 2009 - 4:14 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I hope theres interest in releasing the rest. Theres one or two very good Talgorn scores that haven't seen the light of day.

 Posted:   Jun 5, 2009 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

I am missing volume 4 to complete my collection. Of course I'm missing a Hercules cd and a Xena or 2 as well. Two other tv soundtrack series worth grabbing IMHO.

 Posted:   Jun 5, 2009 - 6:01 PM   
 By:   antipodean   (Member)

One of my favourite shows from the 90s, and featured some of the best music ever written for a TV show. (I believe Messrs Rosenthal and McNeely both won Emmys in consecutive years for their music.)

It already has four volumes of music, which is a lot more than most TV shows have (Xena comes to mind with six, and then there's Babylon 5...) - but that said, you can never have too much music by Rosenthal and McNeely - or Mr Talgorn - for that matter.

(This series on DVD must also be the only one in which the supplemental material, esp the documentaries, is longer than the episodes themselves - or at least it certainly seems that way.)

 Posted:   Jun 5, 2009 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

Hercules also had 4 cds released plus Young Hercules.

 Posted:   Jun 5, 2009 - 9:00 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

I want the music from the pilot score! That one was great! Have the 4 cds from Varese and they are great, great fun!

 Posted:   Jun 6, 2009 - 2:24 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Superb music! You'd have to grab the four volumes out of my cold, dead hands! Granted, I'm not the biggest fan of #3, with that whole jazzy show music-thingie, but it's all part of the package.

I'd certainly welcome more volumes, esp. the McNeely stuff!

 Posted:   Jun 6, 2009 - 4:37 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Thor mujst love how short these scores are on CD razz

Otherwise, I agree with his sentiments, though I love all the showtune stuff too.

 Posted:   Oct 27, 2011 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   fommes   (Member)

And while I'm bumping TV score threads... here's my other holy grail in TV scores. The quality of each of the episode scores is so high it's ridiculous, so surely there must be some interest? Any rumours, anyone?

 Posted:   Oct 27, 2011 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

And while I'm bumping TV score threads... here's my other holy grail in TV scores. The quality of each of the episode scores is so high it's ridiculous, so surely there must be some interest? Any rumours, anyone?

There is definitely some interest, especially from me! A number of other Indiana Jones fans are keenly interested in having more music from the show as well (and the movies, too, of course, but that's a given). An ongoing discussion of Young Indy music can be found in this long-running thread at The Raven, the messageboard of Indy fan site (I post there myself under the handle "Crack that whip" - you can see several posts of mine in that very thread):

One particular recent post in that thread (made just a few days ago) may be of special interest:

"Laird also said that he has been contacting soundtrack labels to generate interest in doing a Young Indy set.
- LA LA Land Records is interested but busy.
- Intrada said they tried 3 years ago but Lucas wanted to only combine rights for the Young Indy soundtracks with rights for the music from the theatrical films (which Concord got).
- Concord may have the rights but they obviously haven't done anything with them if they do.
- He plans on contacting Varese Sarabande and Joel McNeely, himself."

(The "Laird" referenced here is a person who worked on the show's audio back during the original series production, and who happens himself to be a fan of the music he got to work with; he's also the one who suggested reusing the original dig chant from the unearthing of the Well of the Souls in Raiders of the Lost Ark for Howard Carter's 1908 excavation in Egypt in the show's pilot episode.)

 Posted:   Oct 27, 2011 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

I'd love to have Rosenthal's score for the first episode. That was one of the best scores of the 90s (for TV or otherwise).

As I recall the scores for the early episodes were recorded in San Francisco with the Skywalker Symphony -- presumably that is why they were never released on CD (scoring sessions for the later shows were moved to Munich, where there were no re-use fees).

 Posted:   Oct 27, 2011 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

In a perfect world, they'd get released in a fashion similar to Intrada's handling of Amazing Stories

 Posted:   Oct 27, 2011 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   Scott H.   (Member)

I love, love the McPeak covers for Varese's cds:

 Posted:   Oct 27, 2011 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

I'd love to have Rosenthal's score for the first episode. That was one of the best scores of the 90s (for TV or otherwise).

As I recall the scores for the early episodes were recorded in San Francisco with the Skywalker Symphony -- presumably that is why they were never released on CD (scoring sessions for the later shows were moved to Munich, where there were no re-use fees).

Something like that, though I believe it was just the original pilot ("Young Indiana Jones and the Curse of the Jackal," later reedited into the first half or so of "My First Adventure" and the second half of "Spring Break Adventure" when the series was reconfigured into The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones). Most of the other "early" episodes were represented on the CD releases.

Here's a list of the original episodes by their US airdates, with bold indicating which episodes were represented on the four volumes of official CD releases (not necessarily in their entirety, of course); asterisks* indicate representation (with a single track per episode, but still) on composer Laurence Rosenthal's own "Music for Television" promo album. Episodes with simple "setting" titles (e.g., "London, May 1916") are regular hour-long episodes; episodes with titles more like the movies (e.g., "Young Indiana Jones and the Phantom Train of Doom") are double-length "movies." Some episodes were aired in different orders, or even not at all, in certain countries; some were even aired overseas but not in the US. Some connected stories were aired as two hour-long episodes overseas but as a single "movie" in the US, or vice versa, with different "bookend" segments.

Season 1

1. "Young Indiana Jones and the Curse of the Jackal" - March 4, 1992
2. "London, May 1916" - March 11, 1992
3. "British East Africa, September 1909" - March 18, 1992
4. "Verdun, September 1916" - March 25, 1992
5. "German East Africa, December 1916" - April 1, 1992
6. "Congo, January 1917" - April 8, 1992

Season 2

7. "Austria, March 1917" - September 21, 1992
8. "Somme, Early August 1916" - September 28, 1992
9. "Germany, Mid-August 1916" - October 5, 1992
10. "Barcelona, May 1917" - October 12, 1992
11. "Young Indiana Jones and the Mystery of the Blues" - March 13, 1993
12. "Princeton, February 1916" - March 20, 1993
13. "Petrograd, July 1917" - March 27, 1993
14. "Young Indiana Jones and the Scandal of 1920" - April 3, 1993
15. "Vienna, November 1908" - April 10, 1993
16. "Northern Italy, June 1918" - April 17, 1993
17. "Young Indiana Jones and the Phantom Train of Doom" - June 5, 1993
18. "Ireland, April 1916" * - June 12, 1993
19. "Paris, September 1908" - June 19, 1993
20. "Peking, March 1910" * - June 26, 1993
21. "Benares, January 1910" - July 3, 1993
22. "Paris, October 1916" - July 10, 1993
23. "Istanbul, September 1918" - July 17, 1993
24. "Paris, May 1919" - July 24, 1993

There wasn't much correlation of the episode airdates with their production order, or of episodes with score releases with a particular sequence, or anything like that. For example, "Peking, March 1910" was among the earlier episodes produced, with a lot of the early coverage and even merchandising of the show including stills from that episode and mentions of its story content, and it's also one of the four episodes represented on the very first of VS's four soundtrack volumes, yet it was among the last aired during the entire original ABC run.

There were four additional episodes produced in the same timeframe as these that were never aired in the US (at least, not in their original form, and not as part of the original ABC run), though some of these (all of them? I don't know for sure) were aired overseas. These were:

"Prague, August 1917" *
"Florence, May 1908"
"Palestine, October 1917"
"Transylvania, January 1918"

None of these was on the four soundtrack volumes, though note that "Music for Television" includes a snippet of the "Prague, August 1917" score. Also, there is a "promo" release of "Transylvania, January 1918" floating around. My understanding is that it's not officially licensed and therefore technically a bootleg, but apparently it was actually released by composer Curt Sobel himself; I therefore don't know if it's supposed to be considered a legit release or not (and I may be in error concerning the circumstances of the release in the first place; I'd welcome any correction or better information from more informed FSMers).

After the series was cancelled by the network, Lucas continued to work on the show (!), first producing four TV movies from scripts from the planned-but-previously-unproduced third season. These aired on the Family Channel from 1994 to 1996. These were (with original FC airdates):

"Young Indiana Jones and the Hollywood Follies" * - October 15, 1994
"Young Indiana Jones and the Treasure of the Peacock's Eye" - January 15, 1995
"Young Indiana Jones and the Attack of the Hawkmen" - October 8, 1995
"Young Indiana Jones: Travels with Father" * - June 16, 1996

Note that two of these are among the installments represented on "Music for Television," albeit each with just a single, too-brief track.

From 1996 to 1999, Lucas worked on reconfiguring the entirety of the show into a series of "movies," melding pairs of "hour-long" episodes (linked by temporal and/or geographic proximity, and/or thematic content) into new "movies" - for example, the 45-minute episodes "Somme, Early August 1916" and "Germany, Mid-August 1916" were edited together into a 90-minute "movie" called "Trenches of Hell." A couple entirely new segments were produced based on two more of the unproduced third-season scripts and melded with older episodes into new productions, and the entire series was overhauled to an extent that makes all of George's alterations to the original Star Wars trilogy look like minor tweaks by comparison. The shocking, astonishing thing is that it actually works... for the most part. Glaring exceptions include some jarring new linking footage in a few segments, plus a few installments crafted from pairs of episodes that weren't originally adjacent in the chronology but were matched up for some thematic reason, resulting in historical discrepancies and continuity issues re: the apparent visual age of the younger Young Indy (Corey Carrier). But others actually work better than ever before - many of them actually incorporate no new linking footage, but merely previously unseen footage shot for the original productions, for example, and things like the original placements for the commercial breaks and so on have been editorially smoothed over, resulting in more natural, "movie-like" viewing as opposed to the usual experience of watching episodic TV series produced with commercial breaks in mind. For this iteration of the show, the overall series title has changed from The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles to The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones (although there's no regular series title sequence or anything else with either version of the title in any of the individual new installments; they all have their own, movie-like opening titles).

As most of The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones is made up of most of The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, most of the music is there, too, and the extant CD releases of the Chronicles are about as representative of the Adventures. There's still a huge amount of unreleased material, though.

Getting back to the pilot episode... though none of the original performance from "Young Indiana Jones and the Curse of the Jackal" has been released, a tiny snippet of the score was released on a rerecording anthology some years ago, "Best of the West." The album info can be found here:

Track 15 on the first disc contains a portion of the underscoring for the night scene in Pancho Villa's camp in which the men discuss the revolution, and Indy decides to join.

I love, love the McPeak covers for Varese's cds:

So do I! Those are by Matthew Peak, the son of the late, great, legendary movie poster artist Bob Peak. It always looked to me like Matt picked up some of his dad's style (and talent).

 Posted:   Oct 27, 2011 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thanks for the detailed breakdown, Joe. I'm actually surprised to see that many of the episodes are already represented on the Varese CD's. I would have thought there were more unreleased episode scores.

 Posted:   Oct 27, 2011 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

My question is, are the scores on the Varese CDs complete, or are they only selections of them?

 Posted:   Oct 27, 2011 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

My question is, are the scores on the Varese CDs complete, or are they only selections of them?

Only selections, alas, though what's there is choice. I'd imagine they're actually probably ideal representations of the scores for someone like Thor, say (save for those episodes completely unrepresented, of course - presumably this could be rectified with just one or two more volumes like those first four), and probably satisfactory for others here as well who aren't raving fanatics about Indy in general and this show in particular. For those of us who are such raving fanatics, though, there's still a lot more to go - more than there is from, say, the Williams scores from the four movies, by comparison (and you'd better believe I still crave every last note of those, too!).

 Posted:   Oct 27, 2011 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

True, I absolutely LOVE the suite-type representation of each episode score on those discs. They run about 15 minutes each or so(?) and gives just enough as a listening experience before you move on to another style and another composer. They are utterly entertaining albums with one highlight after the other (except maybe 3, which I've never been a fan of).

 Posted:   Nov 2, 2011 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

UPDATE: The same Laird I mentioned earlier (I should have been more specific - that's Laird Malamed, the series' original assistant sound editor), who occasionally posts at the Raven himself, just had this to say:

Yeah, I've been talking to a few of the record companies about Young Indy. I get the same answers - interested but busy. I'm going to keep pushing. I also am going to reach out to Joel McNeely too who I still know. I just finished a big game (Skylanders) and am leaving Activision (on my own choice) to pursue education games. So, hopefully there will be some spaces for me to try to make this happen.

I also mentioned the idea to Matt Wood (who worked with me on Young Indy - in fact the first person I ever hired - and now the main sound designer at Lucas). He thought it was a great idea and said he knew were all the original 2 track DAT tapes were in the archives.

I'm moving slowly, but with the 20th anniversary coming up, I want to push this forward.

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