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 Posted:   Sep 20, 2009 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   KevinSmith   (Member)

Is it worth to buy?

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2009 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

If you enjoy it, yes. I like Knopfler a lot, even though I'm more a fan of bombastic orchestral fireworks. His guitar work is quite lovely and Princess Bride in particular is charming and witty and fun. I also liked Local Hero.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2009 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   JSteed   (Member)

"Storybook Love" with the late Willy Deville on vocals alone is worth the money.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2009 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

A friend of mine adores this music. But then again, she thought "The Last Castle" was composed by John Williams when I was watching it razz

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2009 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   Alexander Zambra   (Member)

It's soft and easygoing.
Not like his usual guitar driven score; I like it very much.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2009 - 5:45 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

The score was the weakest part of this film.

I always wished Basil Poledouris had scored this.


James

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2009 - 10:35 PM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

Love this score, and the film, too.

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2009 - 11:32 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

If you're expecting a romantic orchestral adventure score in the vein of Robin Hood, Zorro, Three Musketeers, etc. you'll be very disappointed. It is a low-key score for synthesizer and guitar.

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2009 - 11:45 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I think about half of this score is very charming, mostly the music for guitar with accompaniment. But the synthesized swordplay music and faux-processional themes are very, very thin. I'm not objecting the the use of synths, mind you. And the film is very light, so I hardly wish that Knopfler hammered harder. It's just that there's no depth to the synth sound; it's simple to the point of being feeble.

I prefer Knopfler's "Local Hero" (a thoroughly charming movie, incidentally) and "Cal." But, as I said, the "Princess Bride" score does have some lovely moments. Just not, for me, enough of them.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2009 - 6:12 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I like much of Dire Straits and Knopfler's solo albums, but he was never a good film composer, IMO. Lacked some of the dramatic "film" sensibility that is required. It's mostly just him substituting the pop album studio with a film score studio, but not really getting into the film. It's nice Irish-inspired folk music and all, but rarely works in film(s). I haven't seen THE PRINCESS BRIDE, but I had the SCREENPLAYING compilation with some selections. Not bad, but not that exciting either.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2009 - 6:46 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

no it is not. Knopfler is not really a film composer

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2009 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

In his work with Dire Straits Mr. Knopfler displayed a real cinematic flair – composing music and writing lyrics for extended wide-screen pop tracks that told stories, limned emotional states, and delineated characters – often featuring lengthy instrumental-only sections.

In his cinema scoring work, he did the same for projects that suited his rather jazzy, folk-inspired and free form melodic sense. Take the “I Know Where I’m Going”-inspired “Local Hero” in which our duck-out-of-water Hero is first introduced in Texas with diegetic country music blaring on his car radio – which is replaced in the course of the story as Mr. Knopfler weaves the score as a forlorn, but quite lovely, fabric of synthesizers and Scottish instruments to represent the heartbeat of the never-never land village. The fabric of the score becomes the fabric of the village – especially during a dance sequence in which a rag-tag but sincere local ensemble plays for the gathering. The score comes to represent the yearning and awakening senses of the “Hero” of the title – flowering into beauty during quiet moments or fluttering behind natural phenomena (like the aurora borealis) – functioning not like pop songs but as an almost natural tapestry of sound and emotion. The end of the film in which our Hero arrives back in Texas always strikes me as heartbreaking. The loud diegetic country music has now been totally replaced by soft, non-diegetic, interior, music -- a soft but yearning synthesizer – as he wanders through his Texas apartment, visits the balcony, and tacks some photos to a bulletin board. The music then flowers into full blown melodic rock as he phones the village – his paradise lost -- the theme music suddenly soaring behind the sound of a telephone box gone unanswered – loudly lamenting as we as viewers are allowed to return to the village which our Hero has been forced to abandon, probably forever.

Some of Mr. Knopfler’s other scores are just as good – especially “Cal” and “Comfort and Joy”. I’m less fond of his work on “Last Exit to Brooklyn” and “The Princess Bride” – but they also display flashes of, I would say, near genius. It’s best to sample and audition his scores before you leap (or by all means see the films, most of which are wonderful!) so as not to be disappointed by his decidedly non-bombastic approach to his film assignments. I agree with the general consensus that the score for “The Princess Bride” could have been a bit more dramatic – but it does have some lovely moments, too.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2009 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Screenplaying had some lovely tracks though, like The Long Road from Cal and Going Home from Local Hero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahNtUF04_9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm96XS75SWI

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2009 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

I seem to recall that Comfort and Joy has some fun mock-Morricone/Leone style cues for the warring ice cream gangs (you sorts have to see the film to understand this).

As regards Princess Bride, I remember when the soundtrack LP first came out some of the record shops on Clark St. in Chicago had signs up saying they weren't carrying the slbum and claiming that Knopfler had ripped off Mink DeVille. Since DeVille is credited with the song and Knopfler with the score I'm not sure what the issue was (unless it was that the score uses instrumental arrangements of the song). Anyone know the story on this?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2009 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Screenplaying had some lovely tracks though, like The Long Road from Cal and Going Home from Local Hero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahNtUF04_9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm96XS75SWI


Yeah, it's a pretty nice album, but I've never really latched onto Knopfler in context with the visuals. Give me the epic grandeur and "film music"-like dramaturgy of his LOVE OVER GOLD any day!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2009 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

Can you tell I am a big Knopfler/Dire Straits "fan" from way back when....guess I'm showing my age!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2009 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Can you tell I am a big Knopfler/Dire Straits "fan" from way back when....guess I'm showing my age!

I was one too, back when I was a kid/teen. It faded somewhat after I turned 20, though.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2009 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   Pete Apruzzese   (Member)


In his cinema scoring work, he did the same for projects that suited his rather jazzy, folk-inspired and free form melodic sense. Take the “I Know Where I’m Going”-inspired “Local Hero” in which our duck-out-of-water Hero is first introduced in Texas with diegetic country music blaring on his car radio – which is replaced in the course of the story as Mr. Knopfler weaves the score as a forlorn, but quite lovely, fabric of synthesizers and Scottish instruments to represent the heartbeat of the never-never land village. The fabric of the score becomes the fabric of the village – especially during a dance sequence in which a rag-tag but sincere local ensemble plays for the gathering. The score comes to represent the yearning and awakening senses of the “Hero” of the title – flowering into beauty during quiet moments or fluttering behind natural phenomena (like the aurora borealis) – functioning not like pop songs but as an almost natural tapestry of sound and emotion. The end of the film in which our Hero arrives back in Texas always strikes me as heartbreaking. The loud diegetic country music has now been totally replaced by soft, non-diegetic, interior, music -- a soft but yearning synthesizer – as he wanders through his Texas apartment, visits the balcony, and tacks some photos to a bulletin board. The music then flowers into full blown melodic rock as he phones the village – his paradise lost -- the theme music suddenly soaring behind the sound of a telephone box gone unanswered – loudly lamenting as we as viewers are allowed to return to the village which our Hero has been forced to abandon, probably forever.



That is a wonderful analysis & description of the use of music in that film.

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2024 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Something occurred to me yesterday: we did that vote for Yavar on Goldsmith titles and one of the things on the list was two electronic scores re-done for orchestra by Leigh.

What if there was a fundraiser for someone (not necessarily Leigh, though I'd certainly not be opposed to that) to re-do the score with orchestra?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2024 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I like much of Dire Straits and Knopfler's solo albums, but he was never a good film composer, IMO. Lacked some of the dramatic "film" sensibility that is required. It's mostly just him substituting the pop album studio with a film score studio, but not really getting into the film. It's nice Irish-inspired folk music and all, but rarely works in film(s). I haven't seen THE PRINCESS BRIDE, but I had the SCREENPLAYING compilation with some selections. Not bad, but not that exciting either.

What rubbish from a 15 year younger me!

Knopfler is great. Yes, he doesn't have the most complex compositions, but nor does everything have to be. I love his breezy take on things, and have to come to really appreciate his film work too, in the 15 years hence. I regret selling off my SCREENPLAYING CD these days.

 
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