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 Posted:   Feb 22, 2010 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   MerM   (Member)

So, it appears there's three albums of E.T., each one with something that the others don't (off the top of my head, I know that the '96 album doesn't have the film mix of the end credits, and the '96 and '02 albums don't have the concert arrangement of Over The Moon). My question is - between the three albums, what is the definitive completist track listing? A list that retains every bit of music without redundant tracks.

Anyone have a list like this?

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2010 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I myself don't have the info, but maybe over at http://www.jwfan.net might have the info for you. I know they have some complete score cues movies etc. thingy's over there so maybe somewhere someone did an ET cue list.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2010 - 6:30 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

I myself don't have the info, but maybe over at http://www.jwfan.net might have the info for you. I know they have some complete score cues movies etc. thingy's over there so maybe somewhere someone did an ET cue list.


i hope intrada takes this one - a 2cd-set with the complete score + album-recording as well as alternates and outtakes is most welcome IMO.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 12:48 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

I don't have a list, but amazingly, the expanded cds all have an inccorect version of the finale. Elliots goodbye to et for quite a few bars is an earlier verion not used in the film (and its nowhere near as good)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 12:51 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

I myself don't have the info, but maybe over at http://www.jwfan.net might have the info for you. I know they have some complete score cues movies etc. thingy's over there so maybe somewhere someone did an ET cue list.

THE PROBLEM with JWFAN is that you have to be in the forum to get full coverage - the articles do not cover all of the music and that is sad becaurse it really is good stuff

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 2:16 AM   
 By:   Browny   (Member)

The incomparable Michael Matessino had this to say a while back:

First of all Williams' E.T. is a masterpiece in every way and one of my favorites. Basically I think that both the 1982 and 2002 releases are essential, but to the discerning listener or completist the definitive version needs to be created from the various available sources, some of which are now hard to come by. In my opinion some mistakes were made along the way with this one, making a bit more of a mess than CE3K.

I think that in 1996 it was an ill-considered idea to make the CD they did since the Laserdisc had an isolated music track on it. The CD was included with the LD and so just about all of the music on it was redundant, while in stores the new release resulted in the disappearance of the original 1982 album. This was bad because about half of the original album consisted of tracks specifically recorded for it (album concert versions of two tracks -- "Abandoned and Pursued" and "E.T.'s Halloween" -- and three straightforward presentations of themes -- "Over the Moon," "E.T. and Me" and "Flying," -- the latter a Grammy winner. The 1982 album itself was also a Grammy winner, so to make it suddenly unavailable made no sense.

What should have happened: remaster the 1982 album and add bonus tracks to it, including anything that was "alternate" or not used in the film. Sell that version in stores and also include it with the LD, on which all the rest of the music would be available via the iso-score. This way the iso-score isn't redundant, the original album is still available, and those who purchase the expensive LD get everything. But this isn't the way it was done.

In 2002, there was an opportunity to fix all of this by releasing a 2-CD set with both the original album and all the other material, but again it didn't happen. What did happen, however, was that some of the incorrect takes on the 1996 CD were replaced with the correct ones (for the tracks "Searching for E.T." and "End Credits"). Even though these had been available on the LD iso-score the 2002 CD offered much better quality. But there was a tradeoff in that the track "E.T. Is Alive" was inexplicably shortened from the full version that had been presented in 1996 and 1982 (on which it was called "E.T. Phone Home").

There are also two other oddities on the 1996 version that could have and should have been corrected in 2002, but weren't. The first is the music for the scene where E.T. dies ("E.T. Is Dying"). Williams's original (unused) version was presented on CD instead of the revised version used in the film, and to this day the only source for it is the LD iso-score (which was not carried over to DVD). The second is the music for the "ouch" section of the goodbye scene at the end of the film. Williams's original version is presented instead of the one including a "more emotional" insert that was incorporated both into the film and the 1982 album.

The complete score can fit on one CD, but it has to be created. And here's how...

From the LD iso-score, the following are needed:

• The Main Title - eerie swelling effect (easy enough to take from DVD)
• Elliott searching the corn field - again the eerie swelling effect
• John Wayne kiss - short segment starting with a riff on the "Quiet Man" theme.
• E.T. Is Dying - revised version heard in the film

And from the 1982 album you need "Adventure on Earth" because of the above-mentioned insert during the "ouch" moment of the finale. Problem is the 2002 CD has much-improved sound quality as compared to the 1982 release (or the LD iso-score) so if you have the capability of doing so it's better to use the 1982 album for just that insert, adding a bit of EQ to make a better match.

Then you need "E.T. Is Alive" from the 1996 album rather than the 2002.

So put this all together and you end up with a complete score fitting on one disc.

What's leftover are basically all alternates:

• the original 1982 album, specifically the five tracks recorded especially for it: "Abandoned and Pursued," "E.T.'s Halloween," "Flying," "E.T. and Me" and "Over the Moon";
• "Searching for E.T." and "End Credits" from the 1996 CD;
• "E.T. Is Dying" and "Goodbye" from either the 1996 or 2002 CD.

This would have made a nice 2nd CD in itself and if they had done this in 2002 there would also have been the opportunity (and the space) to add both Walter Murphy's disco version (which MCA Records owns) and the music Williams recorded for the "E.T. Adventure" ride.

So that's everything. It's all available but it takes some work to locate, sort out and put together the way, in my opinion, it should be.

Mike Mattesino

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 2:19 AM   
 By:   Browny   (Member)

For an ultimate edition I found this once and kept it, as it includes track titles and sources:

E.T. THE EXTRA TERRESTRIAL - ULTIMATE EDITION

CD 1 (52:58)

01. Main Title (1:06) 20th Anniversary Edition
02. Far from Home/E.T. Alone (6:47) 20th A.E. or 1996 Release
03. Elliot Explores the Cornfield (1:17) Laserdisc
04. Bait for E.T. (1:44) 20th A.E. or 1996 Release
05. Meeting E.T. (2:05) 20th Anniversary Edition
06. E.T.'s New Home (1:38) 20th Anniversary Edition
07. The Beginning of a Friendship (3:02) 20th A.E. or 1996 Release
08. Toys (3:11) 20th A.E. or 1996 Release
09. "I'm Keeping Him" (2:18) 20th A.E. or 1996 Release
10. E.T.'s Powers (2:42) 20th A.E. or 1996 Release
11. Stuffed Animals (0:44) Laserdisc
12. E.T. and Elliot Get Drunk (2:54) 20th A.E. or 1996 Release
13. Frogs (2:10) 20th A.E. or 1996 Release
14. Elliott's First Kiss (0:25) Laserdisc
(Note: The laserdisc side ends immediately after this scene. The music fades out over the beginning of the next scene, so the isolated score track has a quick artifical fade. )
15. At Home (5:37) 20th A.E. or 1996 Release
16. The Magic of Halloween (2:52) 20th A.E. or 1996 Release
Bonus Tracks:
17. E.T. Alone (Alternate) (3:03) 1982 Release ('Abandoned and Pursued')
18. E.T. and Me (4:54) 1982 Release
19. The Magic of Halloween (Alternate) (4:11) 1982 Release ('E.T's Halloween')

CD 2 (66:01)

01. Flying (3:24) 1982 Release
02. Over the Moon (2:12) 1982 Release
03. Sending the Signal (3:56) 20th A.E. or 1996 Release
04. Searching for E.T.* (4:24) 1996 Release (alternate section, 0:00-10:00) + 20th A.E. (film version)
05. Invading Elliott's House (2:21) 20th A.E. or 1996 Release
06. E.T. is Dying (2:19) Laserdisc (0:00-1:47) + 20th A.E. (1:47-end) (complete) or 1996 Release (1:47-end) (incomplete ending)
07. E.T. is Dying (Alternate) (2:19) 20th A.E. (complete) or 1996 Release (incomplete ending)
08. Losing E.T. (2:08) 20th A.E. or 1996 Release
09. E.T. is Alive! (4:18) 20th A.E. (incomplete) or 1996 Release (complete) or 1982 Release (complete)
10. Escape/Chase/Saying Goodbye* (15:19) 20th A.E.(Film version with alternate section between 11:20 & 11:30 --Incomplete) or 1996 Release (Film version with alternate section between 11:20 & 11:30 --Complete) + Excerpts from 1982 Release (Film Version, 11:20 - 11:30, Alternate Section, 12:42-12:47)
11. End Credits (3:49) 20th Anniversary Edition
Bonus Tracks:
12. Flying (Concert Suite) (3:43) Original 1982 re-recording, available on different releases
13. Over the Moon (Concert Suite) (2:12) From 'The Spielberg/Williams Collaboration'
14. Adventures on Earth (Concert Suite) (9:12) Original 1983 re-recording, available on different releases
15. End Credits* (3:51) 1996 Release (film version with alternate section between 0:00-0:45)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 2:45 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

I really hate when the alternates are in-between the actual score - all alternates should be in the end so it does not ruin the story of the film in the music -

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   panavision   (Member)

The best presentation of this score was the 1982 album -- a great listening experience and the only version of E.T. I listen to.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

The 1982 album has definite advantages for me over the rest including the original finale music with the swelling strings where ET says “ouch.” Williams uses the alternate in concert versions which gives some insight into his own preference and maybe explains why the alternate is used on subsequent releases. My sense from various comments is that Speilberg wanted Williams to rescore that portion and really go for maximum tear extraction and it was partially that which may have inspired Williams’ comment on the finale music being “shameless.” Personally, I like the shameless version that's in the movie. The movie and score more than earn the right to tug at the heartstrings by that point in the movie.

I also like having the concert version of the love theme, ET and Me from the original soundtrack. Still, there’s plenty of unreleased music that is nice to have from the later releases so it’s the usual conflict between having the better album vs. having a worse album but all the music that I want. I’d certainly welcome yet another release done correctly as much as I hate having to shell out money multiple times for the same album.

- Adam

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

What's wrong with the Arista Close Encounters? Other than the "Wild Signals" track.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   Marko   (Member)



Oops I thought you were talking about the original album.


Judging from his response I'm guessing that some wrong takes were used in assembling the expanded album.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   MRAUDIO   (Member)

I have the SACD/CD version of E.T. and I'm pretty happy with that - always a great score to pop into the Player every now and again...:-)

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   MerM   (Member)

Whoa, Browny!

Awesome finds, thank you!

To the gentleman who recommended JWFan, I appreciate their 'chronological sequencing' list... almost as much as they appreciate themselves! razz

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

if you haVE the '82 album and the most recent cd re-issue you are in possesion of some of the finest music ever writen for one of the greatest films ever made

'nuff said!

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   dogplant   (Member)

For an ultimate edition I found this once and kept it, as it includes track titles and sources...

If we're talking "E.T." sources, you forgot one!

Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow
by the Persuasions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaUcRS4Jr6g

The above is available on the Persuasions' Elektra album, "Chirpin".

Just wanted to also add my thanks to Browny for digging out that "E.T." analysis by Mr. Mattessino. Sounds like the makings of a great album there, particularly if it is arranged as Mike suggests, with the theme park ride music and ancillary material as bonus tracks. Fascinating stuff.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   Bob Bryden   (Member)

Is the laserdisc set with the isolated score the edition in the big black box that comes with the gold-plated cd of the score as well?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

Is the laserdisc set with the isolated score the edition in the big black box that comes with the gold-plated cd of the score as well?

Yes, that's the one.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   TownerFan   (Member)

I started compiling and editing my own edition a few months ago, but didn't have the time to perfection it as I noticed several things that puzzled me, other than the ones already well exposed by Mr. Matessino:

. Aside the already mentioned alternate 'Ouch' segment, several portions of "Escape/Chase/Goodbye" seems to be edited from different takes than the same track (aka "Adventure On Earth") found on the original 1982 album (which is the exact film version).

. Some tracks in both 1996 and 2002 editions seem to have slight incorrect pitch (however nothing really noticeable).

. The 2002 edition has some tiny discrepancies in the separation of several tracks ("E.T.'s New Home", "The Beginning of a Friendship", "Toys").

Finally, I remember there was some talk that the 1996 edition sounds better than the 2002 one. Which one is better for you audiophiles? To my ears they both sound really good.

I hope we'll see a proper definitive edition of this score (which is Williams' all-time best imho) in the not too distant future, possibly a 2-CD set with complete film score on disc 1 and original 1982 album presentation on disc 2.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I can't remember why, but I remember preferring the 1996 edition sonically.

And re: CE3K, the Arista version I was talking about was the expanded reissue that has that ridiculous "Wild Signals" track. What the hell was the story with that, anyway?

 
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